china_shop: A close-up of the Envoy's mouth and chin, with just the bottom edge of his mask in frame. (Guardian - Envoy)
[personal profile] china_shop


Here's the scene from the book (vol. 2, ch 12-13).
At the words “Crow tribe,” Zhao Yunlan and Shen Wei both stopped dead in their tracks.

At the same moment, a painfully hoarse voice rang out and interrupted Fourth Uncle. “Hold it!” Some note in that voice sounded inexplicably ominous.

Shen Wei pulled Zhao Yunlan behind him, gaze growing cold. A line of short, unremarkable-looking people in black robes stood in a neat row across the entrance to the Yao Market. Every one of them had pitch-black wings on their backs.

The Crow tribe had arrived.

Chapter 13

“SHEN WEI!” Zhao Yunlan grabbed Shen Wei’s wrist. Even blind, there was no missing the piercing-cold killing intent that was suddenly radiating from him.

When Shen Wei spoke, his voice held no trace of his usual refinement. Instead, it was dark and ominous. “How dare the Crow tribe harm you? Wretched, ungrateful things! Even death by a thousand cuts or their total extinction could never make up for—”

Every syllable dripped with bloodlust, but his seething was broken off when Zhao Yunlan wrapped both arms around him. Instinctively, Shen Wei began to struggle fiercely, but then inspiration struck Zhao Yunlan.

“Xiao-Wei!” he exclaimed. Shen Wei went utterly still in his arms.

After a moment, Shen Wei turned and gave Zhao Yunlan a disbelieving look. Voice trembling, he said, “Wh-what did you call me…?”

“Shhh. Listen to me. Don’t move.” Zhao Yunlan closed his eyes and opened his Heavenly Eye. His perception through it had become a bit blurry, overwhelmed by the Yao Market surrounding them. He tugged Shen Wei slightly back, and the two of them blended into the crowd of yao.


Context. )

I think this scene is a fascinating illustration of the differences between the Weilan relationships in the novel and the drama. (I'm only halfway through the novel, so please do feel free to correct my takes! And for the drama, too, of course.)

My reading of the novel version is that, when faced with the Crow that caused Zhao Yunlan's blindness, Shen Wei is overwhelmed with rage and darkness. This could be read as losing control and his "true" or base nature rising to the fore. His "bloodlust" rises, and he's going to commit murder out of vengeance.

Compare this to the drama, where Shen Wei is furious, sure, but mostly because Ya Qing is working with Ye Zun to threaten the peace. He uses his energy to fling Zhu Hong across the clearing, trusting Zhao Yunlan, even while blind, to catch her. And then he explicitly passes judgement on Ya Qing as the stern Envoy (despite Ya Qing being outside his jurisdiction), not personally. He's protecting Zhu Hong (a proxy for the SID?) and the world, rather than Zhao Yunlan explicitly.

Continued... )

Thoughts? Preferences? What have I misinterpreted? How do you feel about the drama adaptation of this scene? (Does it come down to "prefers politics" vs "prefers violently protective relationships"? *g*)


Note: I also posted a few scrappy quotes and notes from the Li Qian case in the novel.
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[personal profile] awanderingcoyote
SO! I started off with a different pic spam in mind :D It’s affectionately called: If I fits I sit.  And it’s going to be all the times the SID (including Zhao Yunlan, of course) is sitting in odd/not typical ways :D 

However, I didn’t realize how big of a project this would be and I’m only halfway through the episodes.  So, If I fits I sit will be for my next weekend I sign-up for!

For this weekend, I decided to go with a small screen discussion, centering around episode 15.  There are so many things I love about episode 15. I love when Shen Wei goes all HPS on the Regent.  I love when ZYL gets to see Shen Wei go all HPS on the regent, and I also love the part where they go to Dixing together for the first time!

But for this particular discussion I am feeling lots of Chu Shuzhi feels today, so I decided to review the part where Guo Changcheng and Chu Shuzhi encounter the regent in his Haixingren disguise.

It starts at the 21:04 mark and ends at 24:58.

Onward to the pictures! :D )

Points to Ponder:

  • I remember when I originally watched this episode I did NOT make the initial connection that he was the Regent.  Did anyone else miss that?  LOLOL.
  • Do you think the Regent running into Guo Changcheng was innocent? Or did he contrive to run into Guo Changcheng.  If he did do it purposely, do you believe he knows all of the SID employees?
  • I sure did feel like he enjoyed twisting that knife – as it were- when he saw Chu Shuzhi.  It would be interesting to see some fan fiction written for in-between moments of this episode, on how Chu Shuzhi handles himself, and if he explains anything to Changcheng. 
  • I love how at the end Zhao Yunlan’s expression turns to something more like he’s gearing up for a battle, because 1. It’s the Regent and 2. Chu Shuzhi gonna have to say something about it, I think XD  I also love how this really leans into the whole push-pull of Zhao Yunlan and Chu Shuzhi’s relationship.
  • Poor Guo Changcheng just looked so confused throughout the whole ordeal XD
  • I love ferocious Chu Shuzhi! What are some of your favorite ferocious Chu Shuzhi moments?

 

I hope everyone enjoyed this! 

miss_ingno: Shen Wei glances sharply over his shoulder (Shen Wei)
[personal profile] miss_ingno
Context: Chu Shuzhi rescues Xiao Guo and Grandma Li during the one and only time he uses his puppet to fight. Back at the SID Zhao Yunlan realizes the Shadowman mistook the victim for Li Qian since they look similar and decides to follow her himself the next day, starting from when her grandma sees her off.

(We also get some Shen Wei pining over Zhao Yunlan’s file, our first YOHE flashback, and an ominous scene of Li Qian contemplating sleeping pills)

After our scene, SID investigates a dark set of tunnels, and Shen Wei gets a better look at the sundial before being attacked by the Shadowman at DCU.

Timestamp: 29:16 to 34:37
Scene )

Questions:
  1. What do you think of the parallels established between Li Qian and Shen Wei? Does this count as foreshadowing for Shen Wei’s story?
    I think there’s some obvious connections they’re trying to draw between the two, especially with the visual affinity of their customes (their outfits almost always match in this episode, but especially in this scene)
  2. Why does Shen Wei intercept Zhao Yunlan? Li Qian is clearly struggling, and Zhao Yunlan is just as obviously staking her out. And yet, Shen Wei sends Li Qian away and holds up Zhao Yunlan before he can follow.
  3. Can the SID recruit Dixingren who are on the surface and have done no harm that would demand they hand them over to Heipaoshi for justice?
  4. Both of them are trying to figure each other out here. What do you think of their conversational gambits? What does this conversation establish about their cat-and-mouse game pattern for the episodes until the reveal?
  5. What do you think about the familiarity/having met before line? Does Zhao Yunlan actually feel something or is it just a line? What are both of them thinking here?
  6. There’s so much happening here, I’m sure I missed some stuff! What else did you notice? What’s your favourite part of this scene?


long post got long, sorry /o\
china_shop: Close-up of Zhao Yunlan grinning (Default)
[personal profile] china_shop
We're not having sign-ups for scene discussions for the duration of the rewatch, but just a reminder that scene discussions and other meta (and any other Guardian-related posts!) are welcome at any time. The only reason we introduced sign-ups and a schedule was to satisfy our appetite for regular meta discussions, and seriously, the more meta the merrier! If there's anything you want to expound on, question, or squee about, you can either post here directly, or link from here to your journal or elsewhere.

And here are the wonderful posts from round 14 of scene discussions. Ten thousand thanks to everyone who posted, and to everyone who commented, too! ♥

Scene discussions
ep 3, Shen Wei introduces Zhao Yunlan to Teacher Zhang by [personal profile] china_shop, 28 Nov 2022
ep 30, Zhang Shi takes Zhao Yunlan home, and Zhao Yunlan confronts him by [personal profile] china_shop, 5 Dec 2022
ep 31-32, Ep 31-32, "Internal and external trouble": Zhao Yunlan and Chu Shuzhi clash by [personal profile] dorinda, 30 Dec 2022
ep 4, SID sets a trap, Zhu Hong and Da Qing are kidnapped by [personal profile] miss_ingno, 6 Jan 2022

Other meta/posts
Picspam: Shen Wei's smiles by [personal profile] sakana17, 23 Dec 2022
Song and Vid Recs by [personal profile] salamandras, 16 Dec 2022

Remember, it's never too late to comment on a post or jump into a discussion!
miss_ingno: Zhu Hong in a red dres, text saying "Bitch, please" (Zhu Hong)
[personal profile] miss_ingno
I’m using Solo’s subs for the quotes! I apologize for the lack of Chinese, though. This is my first scene discussion, I hope I'm doing it right :)

Location of scene: episode 4, several snippets between 18:35 to 26:40

Context: Shen Wei and Zhao Yunlan ran into Zhang Danni in the park as she was running from her attacker again. After taking her to a café to recover, Zhao Yunlan is very suspicious of her and shares these concerns with Shen Wei. He sends Xiao Guo to walk Zhang Danni home. They set the trap for that same night, as Da Qing is wearing the same clothes as he does when trailing Xiao Guo and Zhang Danni. The scene before the trap, Zhang Danni and Jia Hui discuss how she’s happy with her new face and that Zhu Jiu has a job for them.

Summary: Zhu Hong plays bait for the face-stealing Dixingren, with Chu Shuzhi and Da Qing as back-up, plus Lin Jing on the surveillance cams. But the SID gets ambushed and Zhu Hong and Da Qing are kidnapped instead.

Scene Discussion: SID sets a trap, Zhu Hong and Da Qing are kidnapped )

Questions:

  1. What’s up with the tech!? Why is it so clunky??? Can’t the SID afford anything better? Except for the bracelet, that one is damn elegant – and closer to magic with how it work, really. A tracker should constantly broadcast it’s location, which would be much more helpful when Zhu Hong gets knocked out.
  2. What’s cracking Lin Jing up about the situation? Is it that Zhu Hong takes her role as bait so seriously? The spy tropes she pulls? Zhu Hong in a pretty dress? The applying of make-up? Pretending to be a lady? The entire situation?
  3. Both members of the SID that get kidnapped are dressed in the same bright red. Coincidence? Is red a signal colour in Dixing? Dixing is rather drab, maybe it’s because bright red stands out?
  4. This is one of the first times we see the team out in the field together, ignoring the early stake-out on the same case. What’s your impression? SID is never going to be all professional, but I feel like they set up a decent trap, and the perps used decent means to distract them. Though their emergency response leaves a bit to be desired…
  5. Zhu Jiu has been pestering Shen Wei a lot during this case. What’s his ultimate goal? He seems to be targeting the SID in particular, since Zhang Danni and Jia Hui are working for him, targetting Zhu Hong and Da Qing in particular and reducing Chu Shuzhi’s effectiveness. Is Lin Yusen blowing them (and then himself) up supposed to take as many members of the SID out as possible in the blast radius? Considering that even Heipaoshi doesn’t manage to get a shield up in time and ruins his sleeve, it seems a particularly deadly mix… although that’s not really part of this scene, sorry, my thoughts are running away from me :’D


this counts for my Bingo's "free square". Only three squares left!
dorinda: Lao Chu with his fists up, by the words "Steely Murder Muffin". (guardian: lao chu)
[personal profile] dorinda
This scene discussion is about an argument Zhao Yunlan and Chu Shuzhi have at the end of episode 31 and the start of episode 32. It sounds simple, put like that--but at this point in the series, everything is getting complicated, including the storyline, the relationships, and the emotions!

Location of the scene: ep 31 at about 41:28, continuing into ep 32.

Five important things that came before this scene )

So, Zhao Yunlan is at a pretty stressful crux here, to say the least! Shen Wei--the Inspectorate--the public--his team--Lao Chu.

And now, the office argument under discussion...

To start (ep 31, 41:28), Zhao Yunlan looks sternly at Lao Chu and snaps: Chu Shuzhi. Come with me. It feels like a big deal for Zhao Yunlan to use his full name instead of "Lao Chu"...I'd be interested to know how many times he does that in the series.

They go to Zhao Yunlan's office for the dressing-down:

The argument )

This argument sets the stage for some crucial developments in the rest of ep 32, and after:
The aftereffects )

And this all sparks the events of the rest of ep 32, and ep 33:
Terrible events )
Wonderful events )

Thoughts and reactions )

Questions:

* What would have happened if Da Qing hadn't come in right then? He interrupts Zhao Yunlan's (impulsive!) firing of Chu Shuzhi, plus he blocks Zhao Yunlan's (impulsive!!) decision to go to Dixing after Shen Wei. Is there any scenario in which Zhao Yunlan's crisis-impulsiveness in these moments actually ended up with, for instance, Chu Shuzhi charging off to Dixing sooner ("Well if I'm fired, then you can't tell me what to do") and/or Zhao Yunlan going down there by himself or after Chu Shuzhi?

* Chu Shuzhi desperately wants to go bring Shen Wei back; Zhao Yunlan desperately wants Shen Wei back. Zhao Yunlan says he'll think about letting him go to Dixing--and he later ends up saying No. Why? Did his speech to Minister Gao in between, protecting his team and Lao Chu in particular, affect his decision? Or was it about necessary vs. unnecessary risks? Or--?

* Was Zhao Yunlan right to keep his promise for so long? Was Shen Wei right to ask him to make the promise in the first place?

* Is it an actual advancement in Chu Shuzhi's behavior for him to ask, several times, for permission to rescue Shen Wei? (Granted, he still doesn't know how to take No for an answer, but he did ask, and very patiently...for him. :D )


I know I touched on a whole lot of scenes, in contextualizing this one--but they would still make great discussion posts for their own purposes! The "pot, kettle" scene in 18, the intense promise in 29, Zhao Yunlan brooding painfully over his promise in ep 30, Zhao Yunlan being aggressive and protective in the Inspectorate in 30/31, the second office discussion/argument between Zhao Yunlan and Chu Shuzhi later in 32, and of course Chu Shuzhi's ill-fated (but useful??) trip down to Dixing and into the nightmare in 32/33.


I guess it's obvious that this crux in the narrative really gets to me. What do you think?
china_shop: Zhao Xinci looking at a gun pointed at him, with the text "Filial piety in ur face." (Guardian - filial piety)
[personal profile] china_shop
ep 30, 40:29 to 42:02

Background
Team Ye Zun has released classified info about the SID onto the internet to stir up trouble. Vice-Minister Guo (Guo Ying) comes from the Department of Supervision to collect Zhao Yunlan and escort him to a shiny official vehicle parked outside the SID.

The scene (or scene fragment)
Zhao Yunlan stops on the SID steps and says, "The Old Man came here in person. What exactly does he need from me?" 这是有何贵干 老爷子这都亲自来了 Guo Ying says, "Let's talk about it once we get back to the Xingdu Bureau." 赵处长 咱们还是回去再说吧

Zhao Yunlan agrees. He walks over to the car, loses momentum briefly, then settles into the back seat next to Zhao Xinci without a word.


ZXC: Zhao Yunlan, you've made me so disappointed. 赵云澜 你太让我失望了

The rest of the scene )

Thoughts and reactions
  1. I wonder how many times, especially as a teenager, Zhao Yunlan was summoned into his father's presence and greeted with "You've made me so disappointed." I'm guessing lots, given how unsurprised and unmoved he is by it. (Honestly, it always makes me laugh in a "Really, Zhao Xinci? You're leading with that?" way.)

  2. Do you agree Zhang Shi takes over in the car? If so, it's pretty subtle.

  3. Is Guo Ying surprised by the direction to take Zhao Yunlan back to the flat, and the implicit decision not to officially intervene? Does he agree with it? He, too, must have mixed feelings about the whole situation, given his position at the DoS and (I presume) career aspirations versus hearing praise of the SID from Changcheng.

  4. At what point does Zhao Yunlan realise Zhao Xinci is not himself? Is it in the car and he bides his time to make the challenge, or do his suspicions crystalise when he hears Zhang Shi talking to Guo Ying?

  5. This scene always strikes me as evidence that however much Zhang Shi claims to have been a sort-of-parent to Zhao Yunlan and was there for his childhood, he can't have been actively involved or said much -- otherwise his speaking now (and on the roof during the kidnapping, and in the scene during the blindness arc) wouldn't strike Zhao Yunlan as definitively OOC.

  6. I wonder how differently Zhao Yunlan would be reacting if a large portion of his brain weren't busy screaming with worry about Shen Wei.

  7. And speaking of Shen Wei, the flat is so tidy! I feel like Zhao Yunlan has been making a real effort to respect and preserve Shen Wei's standards of cleanliness in his absence. asdklfa;dslkf
china_shop: Close-up of Zhao Yunlan grinning (Default)
[personal profile] china_shop
I'm just doing a tiny scene fragment today. This follows on from the cake-stealing scene where Zhao Yunlan implicitly accuses Shen Wei of obfuscating about how well he knows Engineering 4, by holding up the cake card, and pre-empts Shen Wei's defence by calling it a coincidence, in an edged voice.

Episode 3, 9:28 - 9:49, Viki subs

Teacher Zhang knocks on Shen Wei's open office door and comes in.

The rest of the scene. )

Thoughts about this moment
  • Zhang Ruonan feeling comfortable barging into Shen Wei's office says a lot about their working relationship, I think. ♥

  • I love how Shen Wei jumps to his feet to stop her leaving and seems so eager to introduce them. There's no embarrassment about Zhao Yunlan's disreputable clothes, just care not to discomfit Zhang Ruonan or make her feel unwelcome, and pleasure at introducing Zhao Yunlan, who Shen Wei really likes despite the sneezing on the fish tank, cake-stealing, and accusations trifecta.

  • When Shen Wei hesitates, what is he thinking? Part of it must be the impossibility of encapsulating all that Zhao Yunlan is to him in a single polite introduction. And then, the fact that the SID is a covert organisation -- not only does Zhao Yunlan operate in secret, but it does Professor Shen no good to be seen associating with the SID chief. And when it comes to an alternative framing of their relationship, is it too soon to claim friendship? Too presumptuous? Especially given Chief Zhao has just been obliquely interrogating him.

  • When Zhao Yunlan hesitates, it seems more of a tease. He too knows he can't tell the truth for fear of damaging Shen Wei's reputation and drawing attention to the SID, but I think he's drawing it out a little, too. And the way he says "good friend" feels like more of a cover than a sincere claim. (It also feels a little suggestive to me. Is he claiming dibs? *g*)

  • Shen Wei must be having so many mixed feelings about this claim of "friendship"! It's like a parody of Kunlun, exactly what he wants on the face of it, but terribly undercut by the lack of sincerity and how little they really know each other. And yet, the fact that Zhao Yunlan went there rather than coming up with another (more plausible, given their extremely different appearances?) explanation suggests that Zhao Yunlan might be thinking along those lines?

  • Compare this scene with the moment in episode 9 (10:37), during the car breakdown, when Shen Wei easily and without hesitation introduces Zhao Yunlan to Jiajia: He is Chief Zhao, my friend. 给你介绍一下 这是赵处长 是我一朋友 -- adskjfasdlfkjhad!

  • Guo Changcheng is polite furniture. *pets him*

What headcanons or theories do you have about this moment? Thoughts, reactions, squee, fanwork recs all welcome!
china_shop: Chu Shuzhi wielding his magic blue strings. (Guardian - CSZ strings)
[personal profile] china_shop
Round thirteen is a wrap! Huge thanks to everyone who made posts! ♥ ♥ ♥ And much thanks, too, to everyone who commented and helped to keep the conversation going! This discussion series has been running for over two years now, and we're still loving the chance to discuss and revel in Guardian together every week.

It's time for sign-ups again, but first, here are the posts from round thirteen:

ep 1, Guo Changcheng arrives at the SID by [personal profile] china_shop, 22 Oct 2022
ep 19, The Nosebleed Scene by [personal profile] sakana17, 5 Nov 2022
ep 19, Shen Wei and Zhu Hong talk about love by [personal profile] trobadora, 20 Nov 2022

Fic Recs: Bodyswap! by [personal profile] velithya, 29 Oct 2022
Pic Spam: Affection and Protection Part 2 by [personal profile] awanderingcoyote, 12 Nov 2022

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Round 14 schedule
25/26 Nov:
2/3 Dec:
9/10 Dec: [personal profile] awanderingcoyote, more ChuGuo protect and affect
16/17 Dec: [personal profile] salamandras, playlists and songs
23/24 Dec: [personal profile] sakana17, TBD
30/31 Dec: [personal profile] dorinda, ep 31/32 "Internal and External Trouble" (ZYL & CSZ)
6/7 Jan: [personal profile] miss_ingno, ep 4, SID team
trobadora: (Black-Cloaked Envoy)
[personal profile] trobadora
Location: episode 19, 18:42 - 20:17

I did the scene following from this one last round (Shen Wei and Zhu Hong talk to Fourth Uncle), and it made me want to look at this one more closely!

Context:

Lao-Chu, Xiao-Guo and Ye Huo have been kidnapped by Zhu Jiu. The SID make a plan to capture Zhu Jiu, but need to keep Ya Qing out of the way so she can't rescue him when they cut the lights and stop him from teleporting away. Shen Wei says he'll go, but he needs to borrow Zhu Hong.

The SID makes a plan to capture Zhu Jiu Zhu Jiu menaces Xiao-Guo Zhu Hong is surprised Shen Wei asked for her


Our scene )

Thoughts/questions:
  • Like I said last time, it's important to remember that Zhu Hong doesn't yet know who Shen Wei really is. He's close to Zhao Yunlan, and he's been heavily involved with the SID and its cases, has even been to Dixing with Zhao Yunlan - but even so, there's no way Zhu Hong could have foreseen him taking such a lead role in their plan to capture Zhu Jiu, even going to meet the Snake Tribe leader to convince him to help the SID. Can't blame Zhu Hong for being taken aback that she's being assigned to work with him!

  • What strikes me the most about this scene is the way it parallels and contrasts Shen Wei's relationship with Zhao Yunlan vs. Zhu Hong's feelings for Zhao Yunlan. Despite that one mention of "friendship", the way Zhu Hong reacts to Shen Wei is very much as to a love rival, and she knows there's no competition - Shen Wei already has what she always hoped she might one day, and she sees that clearly. I really admire the way the drama manages to use Zhu Hong's feelings not to set up a love triangle, but to put a spotlight on the central pairing even though censorship demands it remain unspoken. (And I especially admire that they manage this without turning Zhu Hong into a figure of ridicule, even though she herself feels that way here.)

  • Speaking of Zhu Hong feeling ridiculous - her reaction to this is not to hide, but to confront it head-on, and to confront Shen Wei with it. Why do you think she makes that choice to speak to Shen Wei here? She wants to be seen, yes - but what does she expect from him? She has seen him less than kind - in the interrogation room scene in episode 4, he very quickly and expertly hit her sore spots, and at the time she stormed out. So perhaps she has reason to worry, and wants to get it over with, force the issue and see how he reacts. What do you think she's hoping to get out of bringing this up to him now? Is it better that she does (in-universe, where concerns of parallels and censorship don't apply), or would it have been better if she hadn't?

  • It's really striking how much they both don't look at each other during all of this, sometimes just awkwardly walking side by side, sometimes actively looking away, sometimes just not quite meeting the other's eyes. This is an uncomfortable conversation for both of them! Actually, Shen Wei seems most comfortable when he takes refuge in a bioengineering lecture. *g*

  • Regarding said lecture, I know nothing about bioengineering (or indeed biochemistry), but this fits at least with what pop science I've read around falling in love and lovesickness - that initial rush. (You get it, too, when you fall in love with a new fandom! Eventually it mellows out even if you're still in love.) You could say it's a bit insulting that he suggests her feelings might just go away once the initial rush has passed - that there's nothing but that - but Zhu Hong did put him on the spot by bringing this up to him. He's trying to deal with the awkwardness, and deflecting because he really didn't sign up for talking to someone else about their unrequited feelings for his boyfriend, taking refuge in the clinical. Even so, he's also trying to be kind about it, trying to make her feel better without getting more deeply into this "talk about Zhu Hong's feelings" thing he doesn't actually want to do. And, as [personal profile] china_shop said last time, he's probably hoping her feelings are just a crush that will fade soon. *g*

    Do you think he handles it well? What else could/should he have said?

  • Why does Shen Wei claim not to know much about love? He could have delivered all the rest of his speech without that, so why that little bit of deflection? To me it feels like he's trying to distance himself from the topic - he really doesn't want to talk about his own feelings to Zhu Hong (or anyone, really).

  • Does Zhu Hong really not understand why Zhao Yunlan pretends not to notice her feelings? In the end it will turn out that putting it all out into the open and acknowledging it is what allows them to move forward with their friendship, and it's clear that she wants to have her feelings acknowledged even if he can't reciprocate, but still - his reaction is pretty much what you'd expect from him, especially up to this point in time.

  • What is Shen Wei thinking about, there at the end when he's lost in thought as she walks ahead? The question of whether there's "forever" for him and Zhao Yunlan, or whether it will all be over the moment Zhao Yunlan travels to the past and becomes Kunlun? The hope that it will last, that Zhao Yunlan will return to him?
sakana17: shen wei finds zhao yunlan on the street (guardian-shenwei-zhaoyunlan-ep08)
[personal profile] sakana17
(I wasn't sure what to call this scene -- there's so much in it! -- but I always think of it as "the nosebleed scene from episode 19" :D)

Location: episode 19, 11:00-13:47

Context: Guo Changcheng, Chu Shuzhi, and Yehuo have been kidnapped by Zhu Jiu. Zhao Yunlan, alone in the SID laboratory, looks at the glowing Mountain-River Awl and remembers Shen Wei telling him not to touch the Holy Tools [from episode 15]. But, hoping that the Awl will tell him where Zhu Jiu is, Zhao Yunlan picks it up and is immediately affected. He collapses to the laboratory floor and has a vision of finding Yehuo, Guo Changcheng, and Chu Shuzhi, who tries to strangle him.

Description of the scene (image heavy) )

Why I love this scene )

Questions: What happened after Zhao Yunlan collapsed and before this scene begins? We can assume Shen Wei found him, and what must've going on in Shen Wei's mind at that point! Thoughts/theories? Fic ideas/recs?

Has Zhao Yunlan seen Shen Wei this upset/angry at him before? If he hasn't, what is Zhao Yunlan feeling now? (And if he has, did the puppy-dog eyes work on Shen Wei before...)

Is Shen Wei telling the truth about consulting books in the palace archives? What and why was he researching? I want the backstory about the normal human infected by dark energy who suffered from temporal dysfunction!

Any headcanons, theories, ideas, thoughts, reactions, squee, fanwork recs, etc. about this scene are welcome!
china_shop: Guo Changcheng writing in his notebook (Guardian - rookie taking notes)
[personal profile] china_shop
Episode 1, 7:00 to 10:47, and 11:17 to 12:18. Dragon City establishing shot, night.

Guo Changcheng trembles his way down Guangming Rd, clutching his notification letter. There's no one around and the lighting is bad, so I'm guessing it's not a great part of town? Dried leaves blow across the surface of the street. It's a Halloween-y vibe.

Xiao Guo reaches number 4, and a motorcycle roars up. It's Zhao Yunlan, of course, riding straight towards Xiao Guo, who holds up the letter like a shield.



ZYL: (still wearing his helmet) Who are you? 什么人啊?
GCC: (still hiding behind the letter) My name is Guo Changcheng, 24 years old. I am here to notify you. This is my report-for-duty letter. 我叫郭长城 今年二十四岁 我是来通知的 这是我的报到书
The Scene part 1: Guo Changcheng and Zhao Yunlan, cont. )

The Scene part 2: Changcheng and the SID team. )

The Scene part 3: Guo Changcheng, Zhao Yunlan, and the rest of the team. )

Discussion: What is Zhao Yunlan thinking? )

15 things established in this scene )

Does it count as hazing? )

Questions


  1. What do you think of this scene? Do you identify with Xiao Guo, or more with the team?

  2. Is Zhao Yunlan expecting an intern, or does Xiao Guo come as a complete surprise? The latter would explain his "What?" at the beginning, and not prepping the team in advance, but "The newbie's here!" sounds like he knows, and how would the person who sent Xiao Guo (Zhang Shi) know there'd be anyone at the SID at 10pm?

  3. What if Chu Shuzhi had been there? Would he have played along with scaring the newbie? Would he have sat back and watched, sardonically?

  4. Zhao Yunlan just leaves his bike in the middle of the street. Is valet parking motorcycles one of Lao Li's duties? (Does he enjoy it?)

  5. This scene is a long one, and I've barely scratched the surface. Is there anything else that particularly strikes you about this scene?
trobadora: (Shen Wei - duality)
[personal profile] trobadora
Location: episode 19, 24:20 - 26:53

Context:
  • Lao-Chu, Xiao-Guo and Ye Huo have been kidnapped by Zhu Jiu. The SID make a plan to capture Zhu Jiu, but need to keep Ya Qing out of the way so she can't rescue him when they cut the lights and stop him from teleporting away. Shen Wei says he'll go, but he needs to borrow Zhu Hong.

  • On the way to the Snake village, Zhu Hong talks to Shen Wei about her feelings for Zhao Yunlan (and Shen Wei claims to not know much about love except from a biological POV, LOL).

The SID makes a plan to capture Zhu Jiu Zhu Hong is surprised Shen Wei asked for her Zhu Hong and Shen Wei talk about love


Then, our scene starts with Shen Wei arriving at Fourth Uncle's house, and ends when Fourth Uncle has been convinced to help detain Ya Qing. There's a lot in this scene, Yashou politics and all, but I want to focus on two aspects in particular: Shen Wei and Fourth Uncle, and the cooperation between Shen Wei and Zhu Hong.

scene details under the cut )

Shen Wei and Fourth Uncle )

Shen Wei and Zhu Hong )

Come talk to me about this scene, and about Shen Wei and Fourth Uncle, and Shen Wei and Zhu Hong! :D
china_shop: Close-up of Zhao Yunlan grinning (Default)
[personal profile] china_shop
Round twelve has been awesome as usual. Huge thanks to everyone who made posts! ♥ ♥ ♥ We really love this weekly opportunity to discuss and revel in Guardian together. And much thanks, too, to everyone who commented and helped to keep the conversation going!

It's time for sign-ups again, but first, here are the posts from round twelve:

Ep 6: Shen Wei and the chancellor talk about Li Qian, and Zhao Yunlan shows up by [personal profile] china_shop, 20 Aug 2022
Fic/Art Recs: Wings! by [personal profile] velithya, 24 Sept 2022
Ep 12: Tan Xiao breaks into the SID and Zhao Yunlan catches the Awl by [personal profile] sakana17, 30 Sept 2022
Pic Spam: Affection and Protection! by [personal profile] awanderingcoyote, 7 Oct 2022
TBD by [personal profile] trobadora, this weekend

\o/!!!

Remember that, if like me you still have multiple posts (from any round) open in browser tabs, it's never too late to comment on a post or jump into a discussion!

And now to sign-ups.
  • The scene discussion series is open to all kinds of post types -- meta, squee, rarepair or friendship ship manifestos, recs, polls, etc. If you're not sure whether the thing you'd like to do fits the format, feel free to ask. (So long as it's about Guardian and is not a fanwork like fic or art, the answer is probably yes!)

  • There are no minimums! The only requirement is to post something about Guardian (novel or drama) on the Friday or Saturday, according to the schedule below.

  • For scene discussions, please check the Scene Discussion Index to make sure your chosen scene hasn't already been covered.

  • If you want to include screencaps and can't make or find your own, we can help with that. Just let us know.


So, who's in? Comment here to claim a slot or two by saying what kind of post you're thinking of making, and a date. (Or you can claim a date without having yet chosen a scene or topic.)

Round 13 schedule
21/22 Oct: [personal profile] china_shop
28/29 Oct: [personal profile] velithya, themed recs
4/5 Nov: [personal profile] sakana17
11/12 Nov: [personal profile] awanderingcoyote, CSZ and GCC picspam
18/19 Nov: [personal profile] trobadora
25/26 Nov:
4/5 Dec:
sakana17: shen wei holds his symbolic necklace (guardian-shenwei-necklace)
[personal profile] sakana17
Focus on: Tan Xiao breaking into the SID and Zhao Yunlan catching the Awl
Location of scene: Episode 12, 8:20-10:00

Context: Zhao Yunlan is in Shen Wei's office, having a frustrating conversation about Zheng Zhongyuan, who had called Shen Wei before his death. Zhao Yunlan calls the SID to ask if Da Qing is back, and while Wang Zheng is speaking to him on the phone, she is affected by sonic waves and collapses. Zhao Yunlan jumps up to leave and tells Shen Wei something is happening at the station. Shen Wei says he'll come with him.

Description of the scene: )

Thoughts and questions about this scene: )

Any headcanons, theories, ideas, thoughts, reactions, squee, fanwork recs about this scene? Please share!
china_shop: Three-quarter profile of Shen Wei being unimpressed (Guardian - Shen Wei srsly?)
[personal profile] china_shop
This post covers two small adjoining scenes: Shen Wei reproaching the university chancellor for letting Li Qian drop out, and Shen Wei and Zhao Yunlan walking the hallways together directly afterwards.

Context

The last time Shen Wei and Zhao Yunlan saw each other, before this scene, was when Zhao Yunlan consulted Shen Wei about the Mirror Girl case (when Shen Wei says “[This is] the first time that you think this case is not related to me and are coming to see me for an information consultation”). That consultation is cosy and warm. But since then Zhao Yunlan and Da Qing have searched Shen Wei's flat and found the SID file, and Zhao Yunlan has sent a query to the Dixing archives and the thank-you spy banner to Shen Wei. His suspicions are running high, and Shen Wei knows about the flat-searching, so he must be aware of that.

The scenes )

Thoughts and questions )

Thoughts, reactions, fanwork recs (anything involving the chancellor?), or anything else related to this scene welcome!
sakana17: zhao yunlan accepts tea from shen wei (guardian-zhaoyunlan-teacup)
[personal profile] sakana17
Location of scene: 29:03-30:00

English dialogue from the subs by Kayoku, QC by Solo

Summary of the scene )

There's so much worldbuilding potential from this short scene. It touches on the differences and disagreements between the Yashou tribes, but also shows that they want to work together. Zhu Hong has come into her own as leader of the Yashou, but can't help showing her annoyance at their squabbling. I like that Ya Qing is part of the group -- it shows that her past actions were forgiven because she joined forces with the other Yashou leaders at the crucial moment.

Questions:
What do you imagine is happening with the Yashou tribes under Zhu Hong's leadership?
What do you see as the future of the Yashou?
What do you think Zhu Hong wants for the Yashou now? What does she want to achieve?
Do the other Yashou leaders take Zhu Hong seriously and listen to her? (I think they do, but the scene is open to interpretation.)
Zhu Hong says she came on her day off. Is she still working at the SID?

Thoughts, reactions, squee, fanwork recs, anything related to this scene welcome!
china_shop: Two Chinese men (the Envoy and Kunlun) in historical dress sit facing each other. Blue background with a pink heart sketched in it. (Guardian - bb!Envoy/Kunlun heart)
[personal profile] china_shop
Huge thanks to everyone who voted in and commented on last week's poll about the future of scene discussions and other meta. We really appreciate all your feedback and thoughts, and all the support the scene discussions series has received! ♥ ♥ ♥

In the end, the vote was tied between continuing on with scene discussions/other meta and starting a Guardian rewatch now, so we've decided to continue the scene discussions, with a view to kicking off a rewatch early next year in line with a planned Discord rewatch.


So that means it's time for sign-ups again!

Round eleven has been wonderful as usual. Enormous thanks to everyone who made such great posts! ♥ ♥ ♥ And much thanks, too, to everyone who's commented and helped to keep the conversation going! It's good to know you're all enjoying the series as much as we are.

Here are the posts from round ten:

Ep 34: "I don't want my remaining brothers to sacrifice themselves anymore" (meta) by [personal profile] china_shop, 25 June 2022
Ep 40, Ye Olde Olde Haixing Era and some of its parallels by [personal profile] china_shop, 9 July 2022
A tour of the lab and Lin Jing's inventions by [personal profile] china_shop, 16 July 2022
Memories of Episode 27 by [profile] acoyotewhowanders, 23 July 2022
Ep 23: Zhao Yunlan and Da Qing in a Dixing bedroom by [personal profile] trobadora, 31 July 2022
Ep 29: Family Huddles by [personal profile] awanderingcoyote, 6 August 2022
Ep 40: Zhu Hong and the other Yashou leaders meeting by [personal profile] sakana17, 12 August 2022

\o/!!!

Remember that, if like me you still have multiple posts open in browser tabs, it's never too late to comment on a post or jump into a discussion!

And now to sign-ups.
  • The scene discussion series is open to all kinds of post types -- meta, squee, rarepair or friendship ship manifestos, recs, polls, etc. If you're not sure whether the thing you'd like to do fits the format, feel free to ask. (So long as it's about Guardian and is not a fanwork like fic or art, the answer is probably yes!)

  • There are no minimums! The only requirement is to post something about Guardian (novel or drama) on the Friday or Saturday, according to the schedule below.

  • For scene discussions, please check the Scene Discussion Index to make sure your chosen scene hasn't already been covered.

  • If you want to include screencaps and can't make or find your own, we can help with that. Just let us know.


So, who's in? Comment here to claim a slot or two by saying what kind of post you're thinking of making, and a date. (Or you can claim a date without having yet chosen a scene or topic.)

Round 12 schedule
19/20 August:
26/27 August:
2/3 Sept:
9/10 Sept:
16/17 Sept:
23/24 Sept: [personal profile] velithya
30 Sept/1 Oct: [personal profile] sakana17
7/8 Oct: [personal profile] awanderingcoyote
14/15 Oct: [personal profile] trobadora
awanderingcoyote: (Default)
[personal profile] awanderingcoyote
Scene Discussion: Episode 29

Screencaps sourced at: Guardian Episode 29 Caps 2 - Kernezelda (smugmug.com)

Timestamp for Episode: 32:19 through 33:14

I wanted to do the follow up of my pic spam for Chu Shuzhi smiles, but work has been super crunching me lately, so here is a scene I picked! I didn’t see this episode on the scene list at all and wanted to do a little segment for it!

Also, I am having lots of feelings for ChuGuo right now so I’m just like: I want all the soft all the soft! XD

Intro: The team sit around the SID table after they obtained the Merit Brush and saved Zhao Yunlan’s dad. I’m focusing on the byplay between Chu Shuzhi and Guo Changcheng and then the team’s response to Guo Changcheng’s case of the sads. 

Let's Go! )


Questions:

  • Do you think it was the same night that this scene occurred?  Or the following day?  I assumed same day, but it’s hard to tell specifically in the scene shift.
  • What do you think Chu Shuzhi found amusing?  I never read it as mean amusement or sarcastic amusement from Chu Shuzhi, but I’m curious how everyone else read those little huffs of laughter from Chu Shuzhi at Guo Changcheng.
  • Do you think when Zhao Yunlan was talking about bringing people back to the right track Lin Jing was having a moment of guilt? Do you think if things didn’t escalate Zhao Yunlan would have ever confronted Lin Jing?  Finally, I find this situation mirrored closely to Hei Pao Shi placing Chu Shuzhi in the midst of the SID, but this situation seemed to hit Zhao Yunlan as worse.  Why do you think it hit harder with Lin Jing versus Chu Shuzhi? 
  • Who do you think are Guo Changcheng’s biggest supporters within the SID/within the show?

My Thoughts:

  • I really love how this whole scene starts out with the team sitting at the table and the camera is unfocused.  When it finally focuses on the team and zooms in closer that’s what the talking begins, which I thought was just a super nice transition!  I’m always admiring how they transition from scene to scene.  I think most were very creative and conveyed different emotions and such, with this one being no different. I really thought the fuzziness of the focus gave the whole transition a very ethereal moment before it focuses back to the SID’s reality.    
  • I really love when the team is at the table.  It’s just like: FAMILY HUDDLE time.  Also, the fact that they’re coming together to one, discuss their next steps to winning (sob) but also taking the time to try and help Guo Changcheng understand/better cope with how everything has been playing out. FOUND FAMILY is my jam.
  • I always love Guo Changcheng’s ability to bring in a more humanizing outlook/viewpoint into scenes.  He’s still so new to the world of the SID and Dixing and he’s such ball of sunshine character and to see his growth from first episode throughout the whole series is just awesome.
  • One of my favorite moments for Guo Changcheng and Zhu Hong is the episode (my brain cannot think of which one right now) where Zhu Hong drank the Snake Tribe wine and isn't feeling well, and Guo Changcheng is just so protective of her! Such fierce Guo Changcheng.
  • I love Chu Shuzhi and Guo Changcheng. I just love them :heartheartheart:


Thank you for taking the time to read and enjoy! :D


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