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awanderingcoyote ([personal profile] awanderingcoyote) wrote in [community profile] sid_guardian2024-05-12 01:00 pm

Scene Discussion: Episode 15: The Regent

SO! I started off with a different pic spam in mind :D It’s affectionately called: If I fits I sit.  And it’s going to be all the times the SID (including Zhao Yunlan, of course) is sitting in odd/not typical ways :D 

However, I didn’t realize how big of a project this would be and I’m only halfway through the episodes.  So, If I fits I sit will be for my next weekend I sign-up for!

For this weekend, I decided to go with a small screen discussion, centering around episode 15.  There are so many things I love about episode 15. I love when Shen Wei goes all HPS on the Regent.  I love when ZYL gets to see Shen Wei go all HPS on the regent, and I also love the part where they go to Dixing together for the first time!

But for this particular discussion I am feeling lots of Chu Shuzhi feels today, so I decided to review the part where Guo Changcheng and Chu Shuzhi encounter the regent in his Haixingren disguise.

It starts at the 21:04 mark and ends at 24:58.

We start out with a gray-haired man looking around himself.

I find this camera angle so interesting! 

a gray haired man dressed in a suit
 

The (unknown to me at that time) Regent crosses the street but a trunk almost hits him.

A white truck looks to almost hit the gray haired man.
 

Our good bean Guo Changcheng just so happens to be walking down a nearby street (reading a book!!) and sees the accident.

Can anyone tell what book he’s reading? I can make out Combat, so I think it’s a self-defense book, which if it is OMG.  THIS IS ADORABLE.  He’s reading up on fighting to help him learn faster/better with Chu-ge?!?! I never noticed this on my initial watches!!

Guo Changcheng looks surprised like Pikachu with a book half held in front of him.
 

Guo Changcheng runs over and helps the Regent up.

Guo Changcheng leans down and helps the Regent up.
 

Eventually the driver of the truck/van gets out and between Guo Changcheng and the driver they get the Regent up off the ground.  The Regent assures the driver he’s fine.

Interestingly the Regent says: The cars on the surface are so different.   Neither the driver nor Guo Changcheng react to it.  Which to my brain makes sense because in the moment it’s still like: Oh no is he hurt/is he okay/adrenaline!!!

The Regent, Guo Changcheng and the driver of the van stand together.
 

The driver eventually leaves, and Guo Changcheng urges the Regent to take a seat off to the side.  Guo Changcheng asks if he should take the Regent to the hospital (because he’s such a good bean!).  Eventually an alarm sounds and Gou Changcheng reaches for his phone in his pocket.

Guo Changcheng needs to go because he is late for work!

I also think this is incredibly adorable that he has an alarm set for work!! :D

Guo Changcheng stands before a seated Regent.

Guo Changcheng urges the Regent to be careful when crossing the road. XD XD

Guo Changcheng is in the main frame of this picture.

We transition to Guo Changcheng turning the corner of a building and rapidly (sometimes jogging) down the little alleyway-between buildings. He’s late for work!

An unfocused picture of Guo Changcheng running down an alleyway.
 

As Guo Changcheng is running-jogging down the street a familiar person arrives. The Regent.

I love the music they play here.  It’s very mysterious-slightly sinister-surprise. :D

We can clearly see Changcheng is surprised!

Guo Changcheng looks surprisedly at the Regent.
 

Guo Changcheng asks what the Regent is doing here and the Regent says he is lost.

Is he though? IS HE? XD
Guo Changcheng goggles at the Regent when he says he's lost.

Guo Changcheng asks if he’s trying to go home, and the Regent says his home isn’t here.  He continues with: Not anywhere here. It’s been years since I’ve seen the sunlight.  

Guo Changcheng says that’s a shame, and seems very uncomfortable, or possibly anxious since he’s LATE FOR WORK!

They proceed to have a conversation about the Regent’s kids being too busy to help the Regent, and the Regent reveals he’s childless.

Poor Guo Changcheng XD he’s just trying to get to WORK.  He doesn’t want to disappointment Chu-ge and his team XD

Either way, the Regent says his life is destined to be a lonely one and Guo Changcheng says I’m sorry for your suffering.   The Regent then says Boy, we can suffer together. 
The Regent lays his hand on Guo Changcheng's shoulder.
 

Guo Changcheng is definitely confused up until the Regent reveals he could tell Guo Changcheng was a kind person and can he help him find the place he’s looking for. The Regent reveals he has an appointment there this morning.

Guo Changcheng TRIES to protest saying he’s late for work but the Regent gives him Regent-puppy-dog-eyes and our poor Xiao Guo folds.

The Regent tries his best sad eyes puppy dog eyes look.
 

Guo Changcheng asks for the address and the Regent reveals the address to be Number Four, Bright Road.

DUN DUN DUNNNNNNN.

Guo Changcheng’s surprise/shock is very evident. Very surprised Pikachu look here. XD
A 3 quarters view of Guo Changcheng's face.
 

We transition to Guo Changcheng leading the Regent to the SID HQ where Chu Shuzhi steps out of the doorway to meet Guo Changcheng.

I love this wide shot of the SID and the street and the other businesses!

PS: Do you think Chu-ge was specifically looking for Guo Changcheng?! I DO :D
A wide shot of the SID HQ and street with Chu Shuzhi exiting the building to meet Guo Changcheng.
 

Here we get a nice shot of Chu Shuzhi looking stern and currently unaware that the Regent is nearby.

I think it’s interesting that he’s looking out at the street and then turns to look at Guo Changcheng.  Is he specifically making it seem like he isn’t waiting for Guo Changcheng? XD

Stoic Chu Shuzhi.

Inquisitive side-eye, eyebrow raised, Chu Shuzhi

Poor Guo Changcheng apologies and Chu Shuzhi replies with: Oh? You learn to be late now?

Guo Changcheng looks sad as he talks with Chu Shuzhi.

Guo Changcheng is quick to assure Chu-ge there IS a reason!

Guo Changcheng points behind himself.

It’s because of the Regent.

I love how this frame initially has its focus on Guo Changcheng so that the Regent is unfocused and then when Guo Changcheng points at him it all comes into focus. 

Guo Changcheng points to the Regent.

It really is about the micro expression for Chu Shuzhi as his eyes widen just a bit as realization sets in on who he’s looking at.
Chu Shuzhi looks off camera, eyes narrowed.

Chu SHuzhi's eyes have widened just a hair showing his surprise.
 

The Regent sees Chu Shuzhi and immediately says: Look who we have here, Xiao Chu?

The Regent looks off camera at Chu Shuzhi.
 

The Regent adds: Long time no see.

And Chu Shuzhi's expression starts to shift to angry disbelief.

Chu Shuzhi looks angry and surprised.

Angry Chu Shuzhi grabs the Regent by the neck and says: It’s you.

Chu Shuzhi holds the regent by the throat.
 

Guo Changcheng immediately grabs Chu Shuzhi’s arm and asks: Chu-ge, what are you doing!

I love how everyone in the background is watching it all like: Ooooh what’s going on there!!

Guo Changcheng grabs Chu Shuzhi's arm and tries to pull him away from the Regent.
 

Chu-ge switches hands and shoves Changcheng away!

I just have to point out look at the Regent’s expression.  Such a smile of pleasure at all of this!

Chu Shuzhi shoves Changcheng away.

After Chu-ge shoves Guo Changcheng away we refocus on the Regent who is looking even MORE SMUG.

The Regent pinned to the wall smugly smiles.

Intense Chu-ge is INTENSE.

A wild-eyed intense expression is on Chu-ge's face.

Thankfully (for the Regent not Chu-ge) Zhao Yunlan makes his appearance! Just realized there's that theme of people being in-between people!

Zhao Yunlan appears on teh steps of SID inbetween the Regent and Chu-ge

Chu-ge, however, will not release the Regent.

You can just see Zhao Yunlan’s annoyance here.

Zhao Yunlan looks annoyed.

He eventually steps over to the two and pushes Chu-ge away. 

People in the background still watching XD

Zhao Yunlan shoves Chu Shuzhi away from the Regent.
 

It’s hard to capture but when Zhao Yunlan shoves Chu-ge aside Guo Changcheng catches his arm to steady him.

Zhao Yunlan also reprimands Chu-ge about fighting while in public.

Which begs the question would inside the SID have been better? XD XD XD

Chu-ge looks shocked/angry/upset at Zhao Yunlan.

Zhao Yunlan continues with: are you hypnotized by black energy?

You can also see the Regent is still smiling with the uptilt of the muscle in his cheek from this profile view.

Zhao Yunlan yells at Chu-ge who is off screen.

Chu Shuzhi looks pretty done with all this non-sense!

Though really, I read this as shock.  Perhaps shocked that Zhao Yunlan would forcefully shove him aside? Or perhaps shock at his own actions.  Or maybe shock that he was stopped? Or maybe he’s determining if he could just shove Zhao Yunlan aside and continue his attack on the Regent XD  Honestly it could be a mixture of all of that!  But either way he’s angrily shocked, or so my brain reads it!

Oh here is some more in-between people! :D I love this motif I've recently noticed in the show :D

Chu Shuzhi looks shocked/angry/surprised at Zhao Yunlan.

A nice little shot of the group (and the background people still watching LOL).

I do feel like you can just see the tension zinging between Zhao Yunlan and Chu Shuzhi with his shot.

The Regent also finally speaks and says: Lord Guardian, you are finally here. 
ZHao Yunlan, Chu-ge, Guo Changcheng and the Regent stand nearby each other.  Zhao Yunlan and Chu-ge tensely stare at each other. 

We have a shot of Zhao Yunlan clasping hands with the Regent and an unfocused Guo Changcheng in the background but between their clasped hands.
Two hands clasped with an unfocused view of Guo Changcheng's face.

The camera then turns to Chu-ge and he still looks intense.

Chu-ge looking really hard at the Regent and Zhao Yunlan who are off camera.
 

It then shifts to showing the Regent and Zhao Yunlan, with Zhao Yunlan saying they’ve been waiting a long time for you (the Regent).

Again, the interesting shot where in-between the two is a person, this time Chu Shuzhi who’s unfocused.

Zhao Yunlan smiling at the Regent with an unfocused Chu Shuzhi staring at them.

Chu Shuzhi stomps angrily away while Zhao Yunlan motions for the Regent to enter.  Only after Chu Shuzhi and the Regent are inside do we wend on Zhao Yunlan’s gregarious expression turning less so.

Zhao Yunlan smiling.

Zhao Yunlan looking more serious.

Points to Ponder:

  • I remember when I originally watched this episode I did NOT make the initial connection that he was the Regent.  Did anyone else miss that?  LOLOL.
  • Do you think the Regent running into Guo Changcheng was innocent? Or did he contrive to run into Guo Changcheng.  If he did do it purposely, do you believe he knows all of the SID employees?
  • I sure did feel like he enjoyed twisting that knife – as it were- when he saw Chu Shuzhi.  It would be interesting to see some fan fiction written for in-between moments of this episode, on how Chu Shuzhi handles himself, and if he explains anything to Changcheng. 
  • I love how at the end Zhao Yunlan’s expression turns to something more like he’s gearing up for a battle, because 1. It’s the Regent and 2. Chu Shuzhi gonna have to say something about it, I think XD  I also love how this really leans into the whole push-pull of Zhao Yunlan and Chu Shuzhi’s relationship.
  • Poor Guo Changcheng just looked so confused throughout the whole ordeal XD
  • I love ferocious Chu Shuzhi! What are some of your favorite ferocious Chu Shuzhi moments?

 

I hope everyone enjoyed this! 

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[personal profile] autodach 2024-05-12 09:56 pm (UTC)(link)

I find this camera angle so interesting!

Ooh, shooting from below to show the authority he wields as the Regent! They put thought into the introduction.

Can anyone tell what book he’s reading?

I can read搏斗术, which apparently translates to “fighting”. Makes sense I guess?

Do you think Chu-ge was specifically looking for Guo Changcheng?! I DO :D

Good idea, I will incorporate this into my beliefs :D

You can just see Zhao Yunlan’s annoyance here.

Poor Zhao Yunlan doesn’t have it easy. Now his employees are starting brawls in the street!

I remember when I originally watched this episode I did NOT make the initial connection that he was the Regent. Did anyone else miss that? LOLOL.

It took me a moment too!

Do you think the Regent running into Guo Changcheng was innocent? Or did he contrive to run into Guo Changcheng. If he did do it purposely, do you believe he knows all of the SID employees?

The fact that he runs into him multiple times is too suspicious. He’s totally doing it on purpose.

But either way he’s angrily shocked, or so my brain reads it!

He reads as upset with Zhao Yunlan for ruining his spontaneous attempt at revenge to me. When Zhao Yunlan tales the Regent’s hand, he looks outright betrayed.

I love how at the end Zhao Yunlan’s expression turns to something more like he’s gearing up for a battle

It is a battle to him! One he knows exactly how to handle. I like that he looks determined rather than intimidated.


What a fun picspam! Thank you for sharing❤

trobadora: (Chu Shuzhi - *curls up*)

[personal profile] trobadora 2024-06-04 07:25 pm (UTC)(link)
When Zhao Yunlan tales the Regent’s hand, he looks outright betrayed.

Yeah, this! Poor Chu Shuzhi.
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[personal profile] saffronhouse 2024-05-16 04:46 pm (UTC)(link)

thank you for this! special joy to see how the regent SMIRKS throughout the attack--no WONDER poor Chu Shuzhi wants to strangle him

sakana17: lao chu stares down a villain (guardian-lao-chu-stern)

[personal profile] sakana17 2024-05-18 02:32 am (UTC)(link)
This is a great picspam!

I never noticed the title of the book Guo Changcheng has. That's great if it's about fighting or self-defense. :D

I didn't recognize the Regent on the surface at first. It took me a while to figure it out. He looks so different in modern Haixing clothes & hair. (Until he smirks, then he's all Regent.)

Oooo, yes, I think Chu Shuzhi was waiting for Guo Changcheng! Like, the minute he's late for work, Chu Shuzhi is right there on the doorstep on the lookout for him. XD

This is definitely one of my favorite ferocious Chu Shuzhi scenes. <3
china_shop: Chu Shuzhi wearing a black face mask with a cat mouth and whiskers on it. (Guardian - CSZ cat mask)

[personal profile] china_shop 2024-05-23 08:44 pm (UTC)(link)
Ahhh, what an awesome picspam! I'm so sorry it's taken me so long to come back to it. (And also I'm very much looking forward to your If it fits picspam in the future, heeeeee! ♥!)

But for this particular discussion I am feeling lots of Chu Shuzhi feels today, so I decided to review the part where Guo Changcheng and Chu Shuzhi encounter the regent in his Haixingren disguise.

Oh yes! Yay!

(I'm just going to pop in the paragraph I wrote about this during the rewatch. I hope that's okay!
The Regent arrives in Dragon City in Haixing clothes. (Some speculative discussion here about that.) He's almost hit by a delivery truck, literally falls down, but doesn't make a fuss about it. This may be his most likeable moment in the whole show. Changcheng, who's walking along reading "Close Quarter Combat" (yay for dual-language titles!) helps him up. LOL at the Regent telling Changcheng he's as a fit as a fiddle: that's the opposite of what he tells anyone else ever.

I wonder if the combat book is assigned reading, hee. Like, Chu Shuzhi deciding that Changcheng is so klutzy, he might be better off learning the basics from a book? *g*

The Regent assures the driver he’s fine.

I'm always so interested by this mild-mannered persona. And I think you're right that he ran into Changcheng deliberately. It's like he's trying to charm each member of the SID, one by one (except for Chu Shuzhi, of course!) -- and if he wasn't so eerie-slimy and didn't make gross comments about Wang Zheng, he might have managed it. ;-p Given his visit happens after Zhao Yunlan messaged the palace archives about Shen Wei, I think he might be trying to get the SID to take sides against the Envoy...

I also think this is incredibly adorable that he has an alarm set for work!! :D

Haha, yes. So diligent! So conscientious! *pets him forever*

but the Regent gives him Regent-puppy-dog-eyes

LOL! And also, ick, I need a shower. That little pout!! /o\

PS: Do you think Chu-ge was specifically looking for Guo Changcheng?! I DO :D

Yesss! Maybe they always train together in the mornings, and that's what Changcheng is late for? And lol at Chu Shuzhi playing it cool and stern like that. :D

It's interesting that Changcheng outright points at the Regent. That seems kind of rude -- maybe he's secretly annoyed by having been delayed. Heh.

Angry Chu Shuzhi grabs the Regent by the neck and says: It’s you.

I wonder what, specifically, Chu Shuzhi holds a grudge about. Is it the torture during CSZ's prison sentence (I suspect not), or is it that the Regent took Nianzhi's doll (iirc? please correct me if I'm wrong)? Or is it just his epic corruption and mismanagement of Dixing? Anyway, I bet it's something to do with Nianzhi as far as Chu Shuzhi's concerned, and the fact that the Regent arrived with soft, hapless Changcheng is an extra trigger. Ooh, maybe that was the Regent's plan all along (assuming he knows that Chu Shuzhi is Changcheng's mentor; would he know that?).

The Regent is so smug, he deserves ALL the choking! ;-p

It’s hard to capture but when Zhao Yunlan shoves Chu-ge aside Guo Changcheng catches his arm to steady him.

Ahhhh, great catch (ha!)! I never noticed that before. And I love how Zhao Yunlan isn't the least bit physically intimidated by furious Chu Shuzhi -- he just strides right in and shoves him away without a second thought. I wonder if that would have been the case in episode 1...

Which begs the question would inside the SID have been better? XD XD XD

HEE! Though, hm, there are two things going on -- Lao Chu is undermining the SID's image and secrecy, and Lao Chu is disrespecting their VIP guest. I guess if it was inside, that would solve one of those? *g*

Though really, I read this as shock.  Perhaps shocked that Zhao Yunlan would forcefully shove him aside? Or perhaps shock at his own actions.  Or maybe shock that he was stopped? Or maybe he’s determining if he could just shove Zhao Yunlan aside and continue his attack on the Regent XD

I think it's shock that Zhao Yunlan is taking the Regent's side? Like, Chu Shuzhi has come to consider himself one of the team, and this is his mortal enemy, but here's Zhao Yunlan, his chief, scolding him in front of that villain, giving the Regent that satisfaction. How is this happening? How dare?!?! (I wonder if this haunts his nightmares. /o\)

I remember when I originally watched this episode I did NOT make the initial connection that he was the Regent.  Did anyone else miss that?  LOLOL.

I think that was deliberate on the show's part. We were supposed to be lulled, just like Changcheng was. :-)

Do you think the Regent running into Guo Changcheng was innocent? Or did he contrive to run into Guo Changcheng.

The fact that they cross paths twice suggests to me it was deliberate (though they are both going in the same direction, so maybe it's happy accident on the Regent's part, hm).

I love how at the end Zhao Yunlan’s expression turns to something more like he’s gearing up for a battle, because 1. It’s the Regent and 2. Chu Shuzhi gonna have to say something about it

I think it's mostly 1. I think he's realising the Regent is a more complicated figure than he knew. (I wrote this scene from ZYL's pov in the first few paragraphs of my fic How the Other Half Lives.)

Poor Guo Changcheng just looked so confused throughout the whole ordeal XD

*pets him forever*

I love ferocious Chu Shuzhi! What are some of your favorite ferocious Chu Shuzhi moments?

Hee! The one that immediately comes to mind is in Zhao Yunlan's vision of the zero-degree lab where Chu Shuzhi starts choking Zhao Yunlan and calling him a murderer. But I really love the posturing between Chu Shuzhi and Ye Huo when they first meet in the fight club, too.

SUCH A DELIGHTFUL POST!!! Thank you so much for making it!! :D :D :D :D :D
china_shop: Chu Shuzhi wearing a black face mask with a cat mouth and whiskers on it. (Guardian - CSZ cat mask)

[personal profile] china_shop 2024-05-26 10:56 pm (UTC)(link)
Chu-ge just all: Read this first. LOLOLOL. And then just the whole SID getting on the same boat and giving him different books to read to help him out XD

Hahaha, and they think they're teasing Changcheng by doing it, but in reality, Changcheng is all, "Oh thank goodness, information I can assimilate at my own speed without needing to be self-conscious!! Maybe I can make Chu-ge proud!" :D :D :D

My brain just went to was he getting on Changcheng's good side, because somehow he knew Chu Shuzhi and Guo Changcheng were partners and it's another way to get under Chu Shuzhi's skin. XD

Oh, yes, this seems more likely, actually. Because the Regent is TERRIBLE!! And he was robbed of three years' torturing Chu Shuzhi, so he has to find another way now. /o\

It would only be worse if it had been HPS scolding him XD

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh my goodness, now I'm dying to know what Shen Wei would have done if he'd been there!! Would he have told Chu Shuzhi off? Or just rebuked him with a single word (because diplomacy) and then glared icily at the Regent? Or...?? So many delicious possibilities!!!! :DDD

<3 <3 <3 <3 <3
Edited (typo) 2024-05-26 22:56 (UTC)
trobadora: (Chu Shuzhi & Shen Wei - loyalty)

[personal profile] trobadora 2024-06-04 07:28 pm (UTC)(link)
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh my goodness, now I'm dying to know what Shen Wei would have done if he'd been there!! Would he have told Chu Shuzhi off? Or just rebuked him with a single word (because diplomacy) and then glared icily at the Regent? Or...?? So many delicious possibilities!!!! :DDD

Damn, now I want the AU where Shen Wei arrives just at that moment and sees the confrontation! (Not quite the same because Lao-Chu doesn't yet know he's the Envoy, but still!)
china_shop: A close-up of the Envoy's mouth and chin, with just the bottom edge of his mask in frame. (Guardian - Envoy)

[personal profile] china_shop 2024-06-05 04:43 am (UTC)(link)
What if he knew in advance the Regent was coming and arrived in Envoy robes?? :D
trobadora: (Black-Cloaked Envoy)

[personal profile] trobadora 2024-06-05 11:22 am (UTC)(link)
Ooooh!

Given that it's on the street, with bystanders, he'd have to make a grand entrance and freeze time, like on the university roof, wouldn't he? I'd love that!
china_shop: Close-up of Zhao Yunlan grinning (Default)

[personal profile] china_shop 2024-06-06 05:51 am (UTC)(link)
Then he could castigate the Regent right there on the street! :D
trobadora: (Chu Shuzhi & Shen Wei - loyalty)

[personal profile] trobadora 2024-06-06 12:03 pm (UTC)(link)
Chu Shuzhi would very much enjoy watching the Envoy shout at the Regent! :D
china_shop: Close-up of Zhao Yunlan grinning (Default)

[personal profile] china_shop 2024-06-06 09:44 pm (UTC)(link)
Heh, but I think he'd have to hide his enjoyment, out of respect for the Envoy. Probably a bit undermining-the-seriousness-of-the-situation to break out the popcorn. *g*
trobadora: (Chu Shuzhi & Shen Wei - loyalty)

[personal profile] trobadora 2024-06-06 11:08 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, 100%, he wouldn't let himself show it, but he'd be so delighted on the inside!
china_shop: A close-up of the Envoy's mouth and chin, with just the bottom edge of his mask in frame. (Guardian - Envoy)

[personal profile] china_shop 2024-06-06 11:10 pm (UTC)(link)
Ha, and his already epic loyalty to the Envoy would be multiplied by a factor of a bazillion.
trobadora: (Chu Shuzhi & Shen Wei - loyalty)

[personal profile] trobadora 2024-06-06 11:14 pm (UTC)(link)
I am so going to prompt this for Wishlist. :D
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[personal profile] china_shop 2024-06-06 11:15 pm (UTC)(link)
\o/!
trobadora: (Chu Shuzhi - done with this)

[personal profile] trobadora 2024-06-04 07:28 pm (UTC)(link)
It's like he's trying to charm each member of the SID, one by one

I can't quite tell how aware he is of how much he's creeping people out, and how deliberate it is. Is he deliberately sending mixed signals? Or is it just his inner creep that's impossible to fully hide? I mean, it's definitely all deliberate with Lao-Chu, where he's gleefully provoking him by being as smugly cruel as he can, but otherwise ... idk.

I wonder what, specifically, Chu Shuzhi holds a grudge about. Is it the torture during CSZ's prison sentence (I suspect not), or is it that the Regent took Nianzhi's doll (iirc? please correct me if I'm wrong)? Or is it just his epic corruption and mismanagement of Dixing?

I think it's a) that the Regent wouldn't let him take Nianzhi's doll, and b) that after he'd served his term, the Regent was going to keep him locked up anyway, and c) (possibly most importantly?) the Regent being a smug, gloating arse about all of the above. *g*

Ooh, maybe that was the Regent's plan all along (assuming he knows that Chu Shuzhi is Changcheng's mentor; would he know that?).

He might? He clearly has contacts on the surface (had them even before Shen Wei woke up 20 or 30 years back), and I expect he has intel on the SID.

I think it's shock that Zhao Yunlan is taking the Regent's side? Like, Chu Shuzhi has come to consider himself one of the team, and this is his mortal enemy, but here's Zhao Yunlan, his chief, scolding him in front of that villain, giving the Regent that satisfaction. How is this happening? How dare?!?!

Ha, yeah, my thoughts exactly!
china_shop: Close-up of Zhao Yunlan grinning (Default)

[personal profile] china_shop 2024-06-06 05:54 am (UTC)(link)
I can't quite tell how aware he is of how much he's creeping people out, and how deliberate it is. Is he deliberately sending mixed signals? Or is it just his inner creep that's impossible to fully hide?

Yeah, the remark about Wang Zheng could just be him judging his audience incredibly badly (or culture clash? suddenly it seems significant that we never see any women at the palace).

I think it's a) that the Regent wouldn't let him take Nianzhi's doll, and b) that after he'd served his term, the Regent was going to keep him locked up anyway, and c) (possibly most importantly?) the Regent being a smug, gloating arse about all of the above.

That sounds about right! /o\

and I expect he has intel on the SID.

I bet he dug around a bit after receiving the enquiry about Shen Wei, too. Maybe he sent to the Xingdu Bureau for details, like Shen Wei did in ep 1?
trobadora: (Black-Cloaked Envoy)

[personal profile] trobadora 2024-06-06 12:05 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, there being no women at the palace is rather conspicuous ...

Maybe he sent to the Xingdu Bureau for details, like Shen Wei did in ep 1?

Ooh, yes, that makes a lot of sense!

trobadora: (Black-Cloaked Envoy)

[personal profile] trobadora 2024-06-04 07:24 pm (UTC)(link)
This is such an interesting topic, and I started this comment WEEKS ago - so sorry it took me so long to come back!

It’s affectionately called: If I fits I sit.

Oooh, I'm so looking forward to that, whenever you get round to it! ♥

I love when Shen Wei goes all HPS on the Regent. I love when ZYL gets to see Shen Wei go all HPS on the regent

Ha, yeah, all of that is excellent, I've rewatched that sequence so many times! :D

Can anyone tell what book he’s reading? I can make out Combat, so I think it’s a self-defense book, which if it is OMG. THIS IS ADORABLE. He’s reading up on fighting to help him learn faster/better with Chu-ge?!?!

As [personal profile] china_shop says above, it does seem to be "Close Quarter Combat", and it's delightful! Xiao-Guo is studying! :D

Interestingly the Regent says: The cars on the surface are so different.

Yeah, he's not being subtle! (Likewise the line about sunlight later.) I wonder if he was deliberately dangling clues and waiting to see what, if anything, Guo Changcheng would do.

PS: Do you think Chu-ge was specifically looking for Guo Changcheng?! I DO :D

Oh, yeah, good catch! I never thought about it before, but that HAS to be the reason he's stepping outside at this moment - he sure as hell has no idea the Regent is coming!

The Regent sees Chu Shuzhi and immediately says: Look who we have here, Xiao Chu?
The Regent adds: Long time no see.


Deliberately provoking him! GRRRR.

I love how everyone in the background is watching it all like: Ooooh what’s going on there!!

Haha, I never noticed the onlookers in the background, I was too busy staring at Lao-Chu! *g*

I just have to point out look at the Regent’s expression. Such a smile of pleasure at all of this!

Yeah, he looks so incredibly, smugly pleased he's managed to get under Chu Shuzhi's skin so easily!

You can just see Zhao Yunlan’s annoyance here.

He looks so frustrated, aww. That's what you get for blindsiding your team! :p

Though really, I read this as shock. Perhaps shocked that Zhao Yunlan would forcefully shove him aside? Or perhaps shock at his own actions. Or maybe shock that he was stopped? Or maybe he’s determining if he could just shove Zhao Yunlan aside and continue his attack on the Regent XD Honestly it could be a mixture of all of that! But either way he’s angrily shocked, or so my brain reads it!

Shocked and betrayed that Zhao Yunlan is taking the Regent's side, IMO. Pure immediate emotion, I don't think he has space in his head for anything else at that moment. By this point in the show Lao-Chu is thinking of the SID as his people, and obviously the Regent is his enemy - how could any of them side with HIM?! Never mind political concerns, or little things like the fact that no one even knows about his issues with the Regent. *g*

Only after Chu Shuzhi and the Regent are inside do we wend on Zhao Yunlan’s gregarious expression turning less so.

Haha, yeah, that expression! This has not gone as expected AT ALL, and how he needs to deal with the fallout ...

I remember when I originally watched this episode I did NOT make the initial connection that he was the Regent. Did anyone else miss that?

I don't actually remember, but he looks so different like this, I bet I didn't recognise him at first either. I don't know that we're meant to, initially - though I'm not good with faces at the best of times, tbh, so what do I know? *g*

Do you think the Regent running into Guo Changcheng was innocent? Or did he contrive to run into Guo Changcheng. If he did do it purposely, do you believe he knows all of the SID employees?

It doesn't seem innocent to me, especially running into him the second time, which has to be deliberate - there's no way that's an accident. Xiao-Guo was rushing to work because he was late! The Regent must have rushed too, and why would he bother if not to catch Xiao-Guo again? (I mean, maybe he secretly has a teleportation/speed-walking power he never otherwise shows, and so he didn't need to rush, but. *g*) And I expect he has enough intel on the SID to recognise them all, yeah.

I sure did feel like he enjoyed twisting that knife – as it were- when he saw Chu Shuzhi.

Yeah, 100%, he defnitely enjoyed that, ugh. He's deliberately pushing Chu Shuzhi's buttons, provoking him into lashing out.

It would be interesting to see some fan fiction written for in-between moments of this episode, on how Chu Shuzhi handles himself, and if he explains anything to Changcheng.

That would be awesome! There's so much here that I'd love to see explored from various angles, not just Chu Shuzhi's reactions, but everyone else's reactions to the Regent too. And I want to know if Chu Shuzhi and Zhao Yunlan ever talked about what happened here ...

I love how at the end Zhao Yunlan’s expression turns to something more like he’s gearing up for a battle, because 1. It’s the Regent and 2. Chu Shuzhi gonna have to say something about it, I think XD

I think Zhao Yunlan feels completely blindsided by what's happened, and he's in full damage control mode now. Given how much Chu Shuzhi fanboys the Envoy, Zhao Yunlan might well have thought he'd have a similar attitude towards the Regent - he clearly has zero idea about the history or the bad blood there, or about any of the tensions between the Regent and the Envoy, or hell, anything about Dixing at all (as we see when he goes there). And he keeps underestimating the Regent in Dixing, too, so he's presumably still thinking Chu Shuzhi was overreacting here ...
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[personal profile] china_shop 2024-06-06 06:10 am (UTC)(link)
I don't actually remember, but he looks so different like this, I bet I didn't recognise him at first either. I don't know that we're meant to, initially

The fact that he's clean-shaven in Haixing makes it extra hard, too.

The Regent must have rushed too, and why would he bother if not to catch Xiao-Guo again? (I mean, maybe he secretly has a teleportation/speed-walking power he never otherwise shows, and so he didn't need to rush, but. *g*)

Or portals?

He's deliberately pushing Chu Shuzhi's buttons, provoking him into lashing out.

And manoeuvring Zhao Yunlan into taking the Regent's side (presumably at least partly because he knows CSZ is loyal to the Envoy, and the Regent is trying to drive a wedge in between ZYL/the SID and the Envoy/CSZ?).

and he's in full damage control mode now.

Kind of, but once they're inside, he's also lounging back with a lollipop, rather than being polite and formal, so he's not trying that hard. *g* I think he's decided to observe and draw his own conclusions, and maybe the Regent is playing along with that, making a production of being a bumpkin foreigner who's impressed by lights and pretty women.
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[personal profile] trobadora 2024-06-06 12:09 pm (UTC)(link)
And manoeuvring Zhao Yunlan into taking the Regent's side (presumably at least partly because he knows CSZ is loyal to the Envoy, and the Regent is trying to drive a wedge in between ZYL/the SID and the Envoy/CSZ?).

Yeah, 100% agreed.

Kind of, but once they're inside, he's also lounging back with a lollipop, rather than being polite and formal, so he's not trying that hard. *g*

True, I mostly meant the scene outside on the street. He can't be sure how the Regent will react yet - he's been attacked! he'd have cause to make this very unpleasant for the SID (if he hadn't actually provoked it himself :p)! - and then he plays it by ear, probably possibly reacing the Regent's production of "oh, harmless little me" as the Regent's de-escalation strategy akin to his own. /o\
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[personal profile] china_shop 2024-06-09 02:49 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, at this point, ZYL doesn't know Shen Wei's feelings about the Regent, either, so CSZ's reaction must be pretty shocking. I don't know if ZYL has time to be worried about repercussions for the SID, exactly, but CSZ's attack puts him in the position of having to be extra solicitous to compensate -- which is probably part of the Regent's plan. I feel like the ostentatiously solicitous handshake is a performance in much the way the Regent is performing?

(LOL, I'm finding it a little hard to remember what's strictly canon vs what I wrote in my fic series about this. Fwiw, in the series I had ZYL receive a smoke messenger from the Regent and respond with, “Of course, I’m happy to meet with him, but I have no way to get to Dixing. The Regent will have to come here. He can rest assured we’ll welcome him as our guest.” The rest of his actions flow at least partly from that promise of hospitality.)
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[personal profile] trobadora 2024-06-09 06:26 pm (UTC)(link)
which is probably part of the Regent's plan. I feel like the ostentatiously solicitous handshake is a performance in much the way the Regent is performing?

Yeah, agreed!

(I don't think it needs an explicit proimise of hospitality for that to be expected/required when someone as important as the Regent makes what is essentially some kind of diplomatic visit ...)
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[personal profile] china_shop 2024-06-09 08:02 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, agreed, even if it's not said aloud, it's implicit. Having it explicit just helps to highlight how they're falling short. I mean, five minutes after "rescuing" the Regent from Lao Chu's attack, ZYL has to try to rescue him from the Envoy's blistering wrath, too!
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[personal profile] trobadora 2024-06-09 08:05 pm (UTC)(link)
Haha, right? None of this is going how Zhao Yunlan thought it would be going!