Scene discussion: Shen Wei and Zhu Hong talk to Fourth Uncle (episode 19)

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Location: episode 19, 24:20 - 26:53

Context:

• Lao-Chu, Xiao-Guo and Ye Huo have been kidnapped by Zhu Jiu. The SID make a plan to capture Zhu Jiu, but need to keep Ya Qing out of the way so she can't rescue him when they cut the lights and stop him from teleporting away. Shen Wei says he'll go, but he needs to borrow Zhu Hong.


• On the way to the Snake village, Zhu Hong talks to Shen Wei about her feelings for Zhao Yunlan (and Shen Wei claims to not know much about love except from a biological POV, LOL).

Then, our scene starts with Shen Wei arriving at Fourth Uncle's house, and ends when Fourth Uncle has been convinced to help detain Ya Qing. There's a lot in this scene, Yashou politics and all, but I want to focus on two aspects in particular: Shen Wei and Fourth Uncle, and the cooperation between Shen Wei and Zhu Hong.

So, let's look at this scene:

A young Snake tribe member (#1) comes running to Fourth Uncle's house and tells him someone is coming: 四叔，有客人。
Fourth Uncle, there is a guest.

Fourth Uncle comes out of his house with another young Snake Tribe member (#2).

Fourth Uncle: 是谁呀？挑着饭点就来了。
Who is it? Choosing to come here at dinner time.



Shen Wei, in Haixing clothes, walks up to Fourth Uncle. Even though we last saw him with Zhu Hong, he's approaching alone - he has left Zhu Hong somewhere, and she's agreed to his plan.

Fourth Uncle stands there meeting him, flanked by the two Snake guys. He recognises Shen Wei - he must have seen him without his mask and possibly even in Haixing clothes before, since it only takes a quick look for him to know who he is: 你不是哪个黑 ...
Aren't you the Black -

Shen Wei interrupts, talking over him and preventing him from outing him to the two young Snake tribe members (as well as Zhu Hong, who may be listening in): 我是特调处新上任的顾问。我叫沈巍。
I am the SID's new consultant. My name is Shen Wei.

Fourth Uncle lets out a little laugh as he realises the Envoy is here incognito. He plays along, using the name he's been given, but still addresses him formally: 沈大人，大驾光临，有何见教啊？
Lord Shen, we are honoured by your presence. How can I help you?



The other Snake Tribe members are naturally baffled by how formal he's being, and one of them (#1) speaks up: 四叔，对个顾问怎么这么客气呀？
Fourth Uncle, why you are so polite to a consultant?



Fourth Uncle, a bit embarrassed, turns and snaps at him: 你给我闭嘴！
Shut the hell up!

Then he turns back to Shen Wei with an apologetic little laugh. Shen Wei politely ignores this and starts explaining why he's here.

Shen Wei: 四叔，想必你已经说过了，我们特调处和野心家之间的斗争已经臻于白热化了。 可这个野心家的背后一直有一个亚兽族长老的影子。 您同为亚兽族的长老。我希望您能对她的行动稍加约束。哪怕是几个小时也好，也许可以左右整个战局。
Fourth Uncle, you must have heard already that the conflict between the SID and our ambitious adversary has heated up. Yet behind this ambitous person is always the shadow of a Yashou elder. You, sir, are also a Yashou elder. I hope you can restrain her movement a little. Even if it's just for a few hours, it could influence the entire conflict.

(He switches between addressing Fourth Uncle with informal 你 and formal 您, and he calls Zhu Jiu 野心家, a person of ambition.)



Fourth Uncle makes a face and looks down, clearly not happy to be asked to interfere, then up at Shen Wei again

Fourth Uncle: 这个说起来容易做起来难啊。再说我们蛇族一向是与世无争的，就算你们打得再激烈，跟我们蛇子蛇孙有什么关系啊。
That's easier said than done. Besides, our Snake Tribe has always been above worldly affairs. No matter how intense the conflict, what does it have to do with us Snakes?

Shen Wei lets out a little huff as he smiles and ducks his head a little - he's ready for this; he knows Fourth Uncle well enough to predict him.

Shen Wei: 我就知道您会怎么说的，所以我带了一位同事过来。
I knew you'd say this, sir, so I brought a colleague along.

He turns his head, looking behind him, where - perfectly timed! - Zhu Hong is arriving. (She looks like she's coming in from the side. How close by was she? But no one noticed her approach.) She stops several steps behind Shen Wei, outside the fence, looking at her uncle.

Fourth Uncle is clearly surprised: 阿红？
Ah-Hong?



Zhu Hong stomps in, coming in strong: 四叔，您怎么能说跟您没关系呢？
Fourth Uncle, how can you say it has nothing to do with you?

(She's also using formal 您 here! And btw, this line is one of the sources of the "Snack Tribe" moniker, from a typo in the original subtitles where this line reads: "How can you say that there is no relationship with the Snack Tribe". The other source is from episode 13, where the three tribes are named as "Crow, Flower and Snack". :D)

Fourth Uncle looks like he's going to say something, but Zhu Hong doesn't let him - she forges on (switching to 你 now): 您可别忘了我也是特调处的一份子。
Don't you forget that I'm also a member of the SID!

Fourth Uncle, not happy to be accosted like this, is already getting into the spirit of this family argument thing: 我就知道不能放你回去。 翅膀硬了胳膊肘往外拐了，现在帮着你领导来为难四叔了，是吧？
I knew I shouldn't have let you go back. You've grown up to leave your family behind and side with outsiders. Now you're coming here to help your boss embarrass your uncle, are you?



Zhu Hong and Shen Wei turn towards each other and share a long look - they're a team here, working on a pre-established script. It's only natural that they skipped that scene, but damn, I wish we could have seen how they established this plan together!

Then, clearly according to plan, Zhu Hong turns back to her uncle. She walks up to him, takes his hand and goes all cute at him, pouting and cajoling: 四叔啊，你就答应我吧。
Fourth Uncle, just agree with me.

He looks at her, mouth half open as if he's going to speak, then turns away and looks down.

One of the Snake Guys (I think this is #2) speaks up: 四叔，鸦青长老是出了名的记仇。 这次要是站错了队...
Fourth Uncle, Elder Ya Qing is famous for holding a grudge. If we stand with the wrong side ...

Fourth Uncle interrupts, snapping at him: 还用你说。
You're telling me.

Then the other Snake guy (#1) looks up: 哪来的花香啊？
Where is the floral scent coming from?

Everyone looks around and up. Yellow blossoms appear in the air, accompanied by a sound effect, and Ying Chun takes human form before them. She immediately snaps at Fourth Uncle, pointing a finger at him.



Ying Chun: 你个老长虫，真实越活越回去了，连这点胆子都没有了。
Viki: You old worm! The longer you live, the worse you get. You're acting like a coward.

Fourth Uncle snaps back: 你个臭花苞，你也有脸说我。这亚兽族族长的位置空了这么多年。这族群方针都是我们三族三长老一起定的，当年说要休养生息。你不还拍手赞成的吗？我们三 ...
You smelly bud, you're one to talk! The position of Yashou High Chief has been empty for so many years. The three elders of our three tribes decided on this policy together; we decided to recuperate and rebuild our strength. You applauded that, didn't you? The three of us -

At the end, he points at her, clearly getting agitated.

(休养生息 means "recuperate and build up strength", according to Baidu. And 我们三族三长老 is more ambiguous than I remembered about whether or not the three elders in question were the current ones or their predecessors ...)

Ying Chun interrupts him, mocking: 你三个头啊你三。鸦青跑去干什么了，你别告诉你不知道。
'The three of us'! Don't tell me you don't know what Ya Qing is doing.

The dictionary says个头 means "my arse", which explains why Zhu Hong ducks her head laughing here. :D Meanwhile Shen Wei stands there listening without much of an expression, doing his best Envoy impression without the cloak-and-mask. It's quite a thing for this internal Yashou argument to be happening in front of the Envoy - and for Ying Chun to be willing to confront another Yashou not in private, but in front of an outsider like this.

Fourth Uncle looks away - he does know, and isn't happy about it, but still hesitates to get involved.

Ying Chun continues, less aggressively: 他走错了路。 我们就得把她拉回来。
She's chosen the wrong path. We have to pull her back.

Fourth Uncle looks down. Zhu Hong, sensing his weakness, deploys her pout again: 四叔啊。
Fourth Uncle ...



Fourth Uncle looks at Zhu Hong, then at Ying Chun, who looks back expectantly. Shen Wei also looks at him, likewise willing him to agree. Under the combined force of all three of them urging him to agree, he finally caves: 好吧。
Fine.



Shen Wei looks at Zhu Hong; Zhu Hong smiles and ducks her head, amused and pleased. Their plan has paid off.

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Shen Wei and Fourth Uncle

Shen Wei was the one who volunteered to talk to Fourth Uncle and convince him to keep Ya Qing away while the SID traps Zhu Jiu. He could have gone to meet him as the Envoy, in his robes and mask, but he doesn't. He clearly knows he can't persuade Fourth Uncle on his own, not as a representative of Dixing and not on the strength of his arguments, and so he doesn't try. Instead, he borrows Zhu Hong.

How well does Shen Wei know Fourth Uncle? He knows Fourth Uncle won't agree easily, that he's committed to his tribe's neutrality even if it's not serving them well. He judges - entirely correctly - that bringing Zhu Hong is the crucial element that will sway him, that Fourth Uncle is weak to his niece's persuasion when he isn't to other arguments. Does he know all this from having met Fourth Uncle, or from Zhu Hong, or from other SID members who've met the Snake Tribe?

Of course, Ying Chun also plays an important role in convincing Fourth Uncle. Did Shen Wei arrange her appearance, in the same way he brought in Zhu Hong? Shen Wei and Ying Chun have been friendly, and Ying Chun helped him out before in following Ya Qing when he was otherwise occupied ... Does he know more about Fourth Uncle from Ying Chun? Have they talked about how to convince him to ally with them?

(Do you think that if Ying Chun hadn't arrived, Fourth Uncle would have given in to Zhu Hong's cajoling? Do you think Shen Wei and Ying Chun could have convinced him without Zhu Hong's help? Personally I think it really did take all three of them ...)

And how well does Fourth Uncle know the Envoy? The way Fourth Uncle talks to Shen Wei/the Envoy, it doesn't seem like he knows him well, and yet he recognises him at first sight, despite the Haixing clothes and hairdo and glasses. He must have met him at least without his mask before. Could he also have met him in Haixing clothes? Under what circumstances might that have happened?

(I know of only one fic that addresses how they might have met: Meeting in a Time of Peace by china_shop)

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Shen Wei and Zhu Hong

Here we have a scene - the only time in the drama that I can remember - where Shen Wei and Zhu Hong work together separately from everyone else. And they make an excellent team!

It's important to remember that at this time, Zhu Hong doesn't yet know who Shen Wei really is. At this point, no one on the SID side except for Zhao Yunlan knows Shen Wei is the Black-Cloaked Envoy. So what does she know? She knows Shen Wei and Zhao Yunlan are close - that they're a couple and a package deal, whatever their official relationship status may be; the conversation she has with Shen Wei about love (on the way to Fourth Uncle's place, no less!) says so very clearly. She also knows Shen Wei has been involved in a lot of the SID's cases, has been in on a conference between Zhao Yunlan and the Dixing Regent, and gone to Dixing with Zhao Yunlan. Also, Zhu Jiu's hostage note was addressed not to the SID, not to Chief Zhao, but to Chief Zhao and Professor Shen together. And for some reason, Shen Wei was the one who volunteers to go talk to the Snake Tribe leader.

So what does Zhu Hong think is happening? Who does she think he is? What does she think is the reason for his role in all of this? Does she draw any conclusions?

She won't see him in action with the Envoy's sword and therefore officially find out the truth until Zhu Jiu's capture later in this episode, for which she's also present. (Why do you think that is? Maybe because she already figured something out here?)

Also, when it comes to talking to Fourth Uncle, it was Shen Wei who explicitly said he'd need to borrow her for this. It's about her uncle, but he's taking the lead. She could easily resent him for that, but she doesn't seem to, and she seems delighted to execute this plan together with him, to play a crucial part in it. Why do you think that is? She seems happy Zhao Yunlan is putting his confidence in her, but she could easily feel much less happy about being expected to follow Shen Wei's lead.

We don't get to see how they arranged for Zhu Hong to step in at exactly the right moment. What, exactly, did Shen Wei tell her in advance, to let them cooperate so smoothly? And how did she get close enough to step in without anyone noticing her before it was time? Do you think Dixing powers were involved in hiding her? And was she listening in? Did she hear her uncle nearly blurt out "Black-Cloaked Envoy" and call him Shen-daren?

(If Shen Wei also arranged Ying Chun's appearance, did he tell Zhu Hong about it in advance?)

I love the way they look at each other, twice during this scene - once when it's time for Zhu Hong to work on her uncle, and once after they've won. I love everything about the teamwork between them; I wish we could have had more of that. They're such a fascinating duo.

Does anyone have fic recs about Shen Wei and Zhu Hong?


Come talk to me about this scene, and about Shen Wei and Fourth Uncle, and Shen Wei and Zhu Hong! :D