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The Gauche in the Machine ([personal profile] china_shop) wrote in [community profile] sid_guardian2025-04-06 01:39 pm
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Guardian Readalong: Vol. 2, Chapters 13 & 14

Guardian novel readalong.


Welcome to this week's installment of the Guardian novel readalong! Here are last week's chapters, and you can find all previous discussions on the schedule post (vol. 1 part 1, vol. 1 part 2, vol. 2), or via the !readalong tag.

This week's chapters:

Chapter 13: Zhao Yunlan calls Shen Wei "Xiao-Wei" to defuse his fury at the Crows, and they leave the Yao Market. Daqing asks the Crows about his bell. The SID celebrates Lunar New Year's Eve with a party. Zhao Yunlan asks about Shen Wei's name. Chu Shuzhi leaves the SID library in a mood; Daqing tells Guo Changcheng to accompany him home. Zhao Yunlan arranges for Shen Wei to be called in to work so he can present Shen Wei with fait accompli cohabitation, but then he finds the portrait room and sends the movers away. Zhao Yunlan, Shen Wei and Daqing go to see Zhao Yunlan's parents, and Zhao Yunlan comes out to his mother.
Chapter 14: Changcheng follows Chu Shuzhi home; Chu Shuzhi tries to scare him off with cannibalism talk. Changcheng perseveres. Chu Shuzhi advises Changcheng to stop wasting time collecting so many merits; then he disappears. Zhao Yunlan tells Shen Wei he came out. Daqing tells Zhao Yunlan and Shen Wei that Lao-Chu's merit shackles were due to be removed but the Netherworld reneged. Shen Wei's knowledge and questions make Daqing suspicious about his identity. Zhao Yunlan sends a message telling Chu Shuzhi to come to the SID.
Phew! That's a lot!

The corresponding chapters in the Chinese version on JJWXC and the fan translation are:
Vol. 2 Ch. 13: ch. 64-66
Vol. 2 Ch. 14: ch. 67 and about the first fifth or so of ch. 68

Excerpts:
1. The SID Lunar New Year's Eve party
Toward the latter half of the night, after the New Year’s bell had already rung, drunk humans and ghosts alike started to run wild. Guo Changcheng flopped down on the table, sobbing loudly for some reason. After he finished crying, he tucked himself into a little corner and ignored everyone, meticulously polishing his work ID over and over with a microfiber cloth. Finally, he rolled under the table and fell into a deep sleep.

Chu Shuzhi, Lin Jing, Zhu Hong, and Daqing were gathered at a mahjong table. Other people’s chips automatically became dried fish when they arrived in front of Daqing. The cat’s expression was deadly serious. He had no choice but to keep winning, having eaten almost all his chips.

Lao-Li pulled a giant femur from out of nowhere and started pole dancing in front of everyone. Sangzan grabbed Wang Zheng’s hand, pulling her unexpectedly into his arms. He held her waist and lifted her up high; she laughed, humming a little tune from a faraway time, and danced a Hanga tribe dance with him.


2) Zhao Yunlan asks about Shen Wei's name
Zhao Yunlan silently put Shen Wei’s hand on his chest. Perhaps because of the alcohol, Zhao Yunlan’s pulse was a little fast. After a while, when Shen Wei thought he was about to fall asleep, Zhao Yunlan quietly asked, “‘Wei’… How did you come by that name?”

“It was originally the character Wei that’s made up of ‘mountain’ and ‘ghost.’” Shen Wei’s gaze dropped, seeming to gaze right through the gleaming floor; there was no knowing how far into the past he was looking. “But someone once said to me that while ‘mountain ghost’ was fitting, it was perhaps naming me into a corner. He told me that in this world, the mountains and seas are all connected, and lofty peaks stretch out endlessly. He suggested, ‘Why don’t we add a few more strokes and make it a proper name?’”

Zhao Yunlan touched his nose. This mysterious “someone” had a way of speaking that sounded rather familiar. “Who has the audacity to just randomly rename someone?”

Shen Wei smiled. “Just someone I met by chance on the road.”


3) Zhao Yunlan sees the portrait of Kunlun-jun
Eventually, the beam of light made its way to an ancient ink painting on the southern wall. It was huge, nearly occupying the entire wall on its own. The paper was as thin as a cicada’s wing, the surface as smooth as snow…and like all the others, it was a painting of a person.

The person was drawn with delicate brows and an almost lifelike expression. His long hair reached the ground, and he wore the simplest green robe imaginable. His head was tilted slightly, lips curved in the faintest hint of a smile. The brushwork was so vivid that it seemed the man might step out of the painting at any moment…and it was clearly none other than Zhao Yunlan himself!

Along the edge of the painting was a small line of text. It wasn’t modern simplified or traditional Chinese. In fact, it wasn’t any sort of writing he was familiar with. Zhao Yunlan had never laid eyes on it before. And yet, somehow, one quick look told him exactly what it said:

Laying eyes on Kunlun-jun for the first time, in the shades of the grove. A single fleeting glance and the melody of my heart faltered.
By Wei.


Was…was he, Zhao Yunlan, the Mountain God of the Great Wild…?


4) Zhao Yunlan comes out to his mother
She still seemed dumbfounded. Finally, stumbling over her words, she said, “Is he… The man you brought with you, is he…”

Zhao Yunlan nodded. He had both hands on the door, as though blocking it with his body. “I, your son, spent over half a year doing everything I could—cajoling and lying, consulting all thirty-six stratagems and seventy-two transformations… I used every trick I know. It would’ve been easier to start an uprising. And now he’s finally, finally mine. If you feel like you need to kill or maim someone, come at me, but please don’t go out there and ruin all my hard work. It’ll break my heart.”

To an onlooker, it would’ve appeared as though her soul had left her body. Her eyes far away, Zhao Yunlan’s mother began robotically wrapping dumplings without another word.

“Mom?”

His voice didn’t reach her. For a minute or two she was simply in a daze, completely unaware of what she was doing or what she had just heard. She was on autopilot.

Suddenly, after Zhao Yunlan’s repeated attempts to talk to her, she snapped out of it. Words began tumbling from her mouth before she could think. “What about your job? Will people gossip about you? What about your future? That’s right, I… I think your dad said you bought a house a few days ago. Do you still have money?”

Zhao Yunlan blinked, not at all sure how she’d jumped from him coming out to him not having money. If there was any logic there, he couldn’t see it. It seemed like she’d latched on to a few key terms and strung them into random sentences, and they all rushed out at once.


5) Chu Shuzhi gives Guo Changcheng some advice
A thick layer of glowing merits emanated from Guo Changcheng, who was about to cough his trachea into a bow. The impossibly white light seared Chu Shuzhi’s eyes.

The hand that had gripped Guo Changcheng’s neck suddenly lifted and came to rest on that messy bird’s nest atop his head. Guo Changcheng shivered instinctively. Chu Shuzhi patted the top of the man’s head, voice calmer and a bit tired now as he said, “You didn’t study properly as a kid, did you? Have you read The Injustice to Dou E? It clearly states that ‘those who act in kindness often suffer through poverty and live short lives, while those who do evil enjoy riches and long lives.’ Do you remember that?”

Guo Changcheng really wasn’t wired for studying. At the end of every year, he’d return everything he’d learned that year right back to the teacher, every last bit. So now he just squatted on the ground, looking up at Chu Shuzhi with a blank expression.

Chu Shuzhi tipped Guo Changcheng’s chin up and examined him for a while. “Your forehead is somewhat flat and narrow, which means the fate linking you and your parents is shallow. Your ears are thin, which means your youth was full of troubles. The middle third of your nose bridge protrudes a bit, which means you will lose the protection of your elders after you leave middle age, and the latter half of your life will be unpredictable.

“Overall, your face says you’ll have a hard life and ultimately won’t amount to much. There’s no point in collecting so many merits. Donating money and doing good will only make you even poorer. Try to be smarter from now on. Live in comfort like the nepo baby you are. Enjoy what you should and live a few good days while you can.”

Guo Changcheng kept looking up at him, confused.

“You really are a bit dense,” Chu Shuzhi said.



Questions:
On a scale of 1 to 10, how many feels do you have about the "Xiao-Wei" moment and how hard it mashes Shen Wei in the feels? Do you have a sense of why the Crows are breaking up with the rest of the Yao / helping Ghost Face? Thoughts on Daqing's being the one to send Guo Changcheng to accompany Chu Shuzhi, and generally taking up the mantle of leader in Zhao Yunlan's absence? Would you subscribe to the “Lord Meow Number One in the World” account? Zhao Yunlan's "Surprise! We're living together now!" plan: good idea / bad idea / it only works because it's them idea? On a scale of 1 to 10, how discomfiting is it for Zhao Yunlan to find Shen Wei's portrait room? On a scale of 1 to 10, how discomfiting is it for Shen Wei to meet Zhao Yunlan's mother? (Where is Zhao Yunlan's dad? Surely he should be there!) Zhao Yunlan's coming out speech: any notes? Does Chu Shuzhi really think Guo Changcheng's accumulating merits is a pointless waste of time, or is he just bitter because the Netherworld screwed him?

Poll #32943 SID Lunar New Year's Eve party
Open to: Registered Users, detailed results viewable to: All, participants: 6


What's your favourite detail from the SID Lunar New Year's Eve party?

View Answers

Guo Changcheng polishing his work ID with a microfiber cloth
3 (50.0%)

Chu Shuzhi, Lin Jing, Zhu Hong, and Daqing playing mahjong
0 (0.0%)

Daqing's mahjong chips turning into dried fish (and him eating them)
5 (83.3%)

Lao-Li pole-dancing around a giant femur
1 (16.7%)

Sang Zan and Wang Zheng doing their Hanga dance
1 (16.7%)

Shen Wei letting Zhao Yunlan use his thigh as a pillow
3 (50.0%)

other
0 (0.0%)



(As usual, these are all just conversation starters - feel free to answer all, some, or none, and to say as much or as little as you like! You don't have to be keeping up with the readalong!)

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trobadora: (Da Qing - megaphone)

[personal profile] trobadora 2025-04-19 01:43 am (UTC)(link)
So much of priest's storytelling is cinematic. I can 100% see why the books get adapted. <3

That's very true, yeah!

Ha! I wonder if anyone's written a Yao reveal...

Oh, that would be fun! :D
trobadora: (Zhao Yunlan - Kunlun)

[personal profile] trobadora 2025-04-19 01:45 am (UTC)(link)
Hmm, what do you need to do to provoke Daqing into talking, and how much does it need to involve dried fish. :D :D :D

LOLOLOL!

Zhao Yunlan didn't get it from his father, he literally got it from his past self, and it would always be Shen Wei no matter who the parents of this specific reincarnation are. xD

♥ ♥ ♥

(I wonder if it sort of works the other way round, for him? if the parents for all his reincarnations are picked based on similarities with him, since he'll still inevitably be himself even when he reincarnates?)
trobadora: (Da Qing - megaphone)

[personal profile] trobadora 2025-04-19 01:47 am (UTC)(link)
when you get really upset and don't immediately lash out, that's already something

That's an excellent point!

Fuck! I meant meow.

Hee! :D
trobadora: (Zhao Yunlan - Kunlun)

[personal profile] trobadora 2025-04-19 01:48 am (UTC)(link)
*continues to be extremely baffled*

Can I ask what the hang-up is there? I'm honestly not seeing the issue.
trobadora: (Chu Shuzhi - done with this)

[personal profile] trobadora 2025-04-19 01:49 am (UTC)(link)
and also I feel like his outbursts are 'be really edgy, make everyone hate you' and not how he actually is on the inside, which is mostly just grumpy and tired and done with everything

Yeah, that's how I see it too!
trobadora: (Chu Shuzhi - done with this)

[personal profile] trobadora 2025-04-19 01:58 am (UTC)(link)
Oh hi, it's me with my giant-ass comment. xD

♥ ♥ ♥

This is what the entire connection between Ying Chun and Ya Qing in the drama was built on, isn't it. :D

Yeah, I thought so, too! OMG. :D

I guess they don't hate the other yao this much, or they just hate them as a collective, but talking to an individual one is mostly fine?

I feel like I don't understand anything about the Crows or why they're doing what they're doing, LOL. But you're right, they aren't actively hostile towards Daqing here, that does mean something.

I'm happy for him and all, but DAMN the storyline of getting his vision back in the drama was a million times more satisfying. :D

That is so incredibly true! This is such a non-event here, the entire blindness thing is just shrugged off. (Just an excuse to have ZYL open his Heavenly Eye and see some stuff, and then set aside after it's fulfilled that function. Meh.)

I'm a bit hmpfff that ZYL would worry SW like this and make him think that something was actually wrong, even if it was temporary.

Seriously!

I find it so cool that this story is the other side of the 'don't mess with things you don't understand because they will fuck you up even if what you did was an accident'. Normally the POV is the person who angered some mysterious ancient being, not the being who is just really pissed off.

Oooh, this is an excellent point, you're right, I totally love that too, now that you've pointed it out!
trobadora: (Zhao Yunlan - not wrong)

[personal profile] trobadora 2025-04-19 02:00 am (UTC)(link)
(This is one reason why I hate surprises. ;-p)

Ha, I'm 100% with you on that!
trobadora: (Shen Wei/Zhao Yunlan - cheers)

[personal profile] trobadora 2025-04-19 02:01 am (UTC)(link)
Thanks for linking that wikipedia article, that is fascinating!
trobadora: (Shen Wei - don't know)

[personal profile] trobadora 2025-04-19 02:03 am (UTC)(link)
I never know how much that's the "cultivation is real, fortune-telling is real" kind of world-building, versus how much it's derived from RL/traditional beliefs

Aren't those the same thing?
trobadora: (Shen Wei - young Envoy)

[personal profile] trobadora 2025-04-19 02:05 am (UTC)(link)
I'd argue that technically there's no callback factor in the drama anyway

I always wondered if there was something more in the YOHE flashbacks that they had to cut from the script either due to length or censorship, because it really feels like that callback SHOULD be there!
trobadora: (Black-Cloaked Envoy)

[personal profile] trobadora 2025-04-19 10:52 am (UTC)(link)
It's weird, isn't it? Especially given, as [personal profile] facethestrange pointed out, the Crow who blinded ZYL with the bells was so rude about the Netherworld.

The Netherworld and Ghost Face are two different factions, though - I'm assuming the Crows are working for Ghost Face.

The "killing intent" here made me pause. I've always read that drama scene as Shen Wei being outraged that Ya Qing would even go so far as to threaten Zhu Hong (one of ZYL's SID, an innocent, and relatively defenceless at that stage). But thinking about it from a novel POV, how much of Shen Wei's icy anger is in response to Ya Qing's part in Ye Zun's attack on ZYL himself? (Have I just been missing this extremely obvious motivation, all this time?)

Haha, I think you may have! IMO his fury is about her allying with Ye Zun and being complicit in everything he's done so far, and the attack on ZYL is the most recent, most personal, and also the biggest one (since it involved Ye Zun actually breaking free of the Pillar enough to project himself to Haixing and act himself rather than through minions), with potentially far-reaching consequences (see: timeline, and Kunlun not being blind!). So I think his fury about that particular act is a big part of his reaction, yeah, and the attack on Zhu Hong is just the final straw.

(I don't think it's about avenging ZYL, though. That doesn't feel like drama!SW to me.)

And that her reasons are not unreasonable, too.

Exactly! The drama is so good at giving (almost) everyone semi-reasonable motives.

That, and so they can explicitly make the end-credits song romantic, so that we know ZYL/SW is a romance, even if the drama can't state it out loud. ;-p

Oh yeah, that's definitely why they're using the ending credits song there, and why it's so prominently "their" song in the Hanga flashbacks. Much appreciated! *g*

It seems a natural way to think in a relatively homophobic society where marriage is (or historically has been) often as much about duty to family as it is about love, though, right? And Shen Wei has lived in that kind of society, feeling like an outsider and hating his own essential nature, for thousands of years.

Yeah, and I hate it. As an outsider, he should see this stuff more clearly, and I hate it so much that he apparently hates himself enough to buy into this nonsense. :(

Right? The lack of consideration for Shen Wei's feelings and attachment to his belongings, omg!! I would be so furious at the presumption! (At least with the house-choosing and -buying, ZYL bought it for himself and offered SW a place in it. But even that made me go, no, let him have a say in where you both live!!)

RIGHT????

The house doesn't bother me as much with me because SW, if he didn't like it, could either refuse to move in, or just up the ante and buy another place for them both himself. ;) Whereas throwing out someone's belongings is just - I can't even.

(Does that DNW come and go, scene by scene, or does it ruin the surrounding parts, too?)

It comes and goes, but overall I really can't like novel!ZYL, and I'm always glad to turn back to the drama version, who I love.

I guess it's the fact that it takes tremendous effort? I can imagine I'd find it pretty unnerving, too, if I had to struggle to suppress homicidal impulses.

I feel like after thousands of years he should be used to it. :p

>>>>The whole woman-with-rolling-pin thing is such a traditional stereotype here
From other Chinese media? Or more generally?


No, I meant it's a stereotype here, where I live.

Maybe he doesn't want to hear any more of Shen Wei's disapproval of their relationship (vicariously, on ZYL's parents' behalf)? If Shen Wei thinking coming out to his parents on a holiday is unkind, better to keep it an accident?

Oh, huh, that would make sense, and also be very sad. :(

So much! I think one of the difficulties in the drama adaptation is having SW more closely aligned with Dixing but still have Dixing be so terrible. It's harder to get around the "why isn't he trying harder to change/fix things?" problem -- though they do a reasonable job by implying separate jurisdictions.

Yeah, they're doing pretty well, but it's definitely a difficult balancing act.

No version of Shen Wei will ever understand how upsetting those words can be. ;-p

RIGHT???

Oh, interesting. Adding it changes the focus of the scene quite a lot, I think. Not "OMG, a shrine!?!" but instead, the realisation/confirmation about Kunlun.

Yeah, agreed! It's such a fascinating shift.

Is the bit with SW & ZYL's mother before or after the coming out scene? (Also, poor SW! So awkward!)

Before - it's before they head into the kitchen.

And so interesting how they changed ZYL's mother's opinion of gay people. Huh.

I think the change is probably trying to tone it down during edits, for censorship purposes?
trobadora: (Shen Wei - duality)

[personal profile] trobadora 2025-04-19 10:52 am (UTC)(link)
:D
trobadora: (Shen Wei - powers)

[personal profile] trobadora 2025-04-19 10:53 am (UTC)(link)
The difference in genre is one thing that's making it easier for me to keep novel and drama separate in my mind! (Thankfully, OMG.)
trobadora: (Shen Wei/Zhao Yunlan - bench)

[personal profile] trobadora 2025-04-19 10:54 am (UTC)(link)
That's definitely a less depressing way to look at it - and it's still plenty sad. *sighs*
trobadora: (Zhao Yunlan - patience)

[personal profile] trobadora 2025-04-19 10:58 am (UTC)(link)
Remind me where in the drama ZYL keeps secrets from SW? I'm blanking.

I meant that ZYL is hiding that he's realised out that SW is hiding info about Kunlun from him. (What with the destroyed audio recording and all.)

I think the red envelope is how GCC's uncle finds out he's working at the SID -- so actually, this is more like SW & ZYL running into Guo Ying at the DoS, now I come to think of it, which was what led to the dinner. (I can't remember if the dinner happens in the novel.)

Oh, I see! That makes sense, thank you for explaining.

Really? Huh. I would be pretty disturbed to know I'd been being surveilled like that...

In a real-world context, absolutely! But I guess I don't apply real-world rules when reincarnation and past lives are involved. *g*

He does work for a secret government department that routinely wipes people's memory, so I suppose it can't be helped. (I wonder how many people know there are yao living among them...)

Yeah, good question about who knows! And it's true that he probably doesn't have much of a choice, but that's just another way in which the world he's living in sucks.
trobadora: (Zhao Yunlan - not wrong)

[personal profile] trobadora 2025-04-19 10:59 am (UTC)(link)
Right! Last week is forever ago. *g*
trobadora: (Zhao Yunlan - not wrong)

[personal profile] trobadora 2025-04-19 11:00 am (UTC)(link)
I don't remember, but you're probably right! *g*

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