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Focus on: Ye Zun pretends to be Shen Wei, from episode 34
Location of scene: episode 34, 19:35 to 26:24
This is quite a long scene, so the long description is behind the cut. :)
Earlier in the episode Wang Zheng and Sang Zan overpowered and tied up two men send by Minster Gao to close down the SID.
In the beginning of this scene first we see Wang Zheng’s face. She smiles and says “Professor Shen. You’re back!” And we see Ye Zun slowly walking up to them. When they look at Ye Zun Wang Zheng and Sang Zan’s smiles fade. It looks to me a bit as if they right away sense that something is not quite right. Ye Zun praises them for capturing people from Haixing Inspectorate. Wang Zheng frowns seeing the completely un-Shen Wei smile on “Shen Wei’s” face.
Ye Zun uses his powers to kill these two man. And then he asks: “Is my little Yunlan in?”
Wang Zheng nods and Ye Zun leaves them there. Wang Zheng asks, frowning: “Why does professor Shen seem off?”
It’s obvious that they know something is wrong, but they can’t figure out what. Not like it would cross they minds at that moment that this is not Shen Wei, since he’s here in the building, and they think that there is a shield preventing someone who’s not the member of the SID or Shen Wei to enter.
Zhao Yunlan is in the lab where he looks at the Longevity Dial and then decides to try to use it. Of course as soon as he picks it up he has his usual adverse reaction to it.
At the same time Sang Zan checks the pulse of Haixing Inspectorate’s people and he and Wang Zheng realize that these two men are dead.
Ye Zun comes into the lab. Zhao Yunlan is still holding the Longevity Dial and it affects him so much that he sinks to his knees on the floor, shaking. You can see how Ye Zun changes his whole demeanor to what he thinks Shen Wei looks and behaves like.
Ye Zun calls out “Yunlan”, and comes closer. Zhao Yunlan manages to get up from his knees with some effort and he puts the Longevity Dial in its place. He breathes deeply and then he laughs. And here is when I always want to yell at Zhao Yunlan: “Shen Wei saw you fondling the Hallow and didn’t instantly berate you or manhandled you sexily. It’s obvious this is not Shen Wei!” :D
Zhan Yunlan is surprised to see Shen Wei at the SID. He asks: “Why did you come running here and stay at home to rest?” Then he complements Ye Zun’s outfit.
Ye Zun says: “I wasn’t sure if it suits me, so I wore it over for you to take a look.”
Seriously, Ye Zun, that’s what you think your brother’s relationship with his boyfriend is? ;)
Ye Zun asks then: “So, you’re studying the Holly Tools?”
Zhao Yunlan: “I just figured out how to use them. I remember you telling me that the resonance from the Holly Tools does not only predicts the future, it can also disrupt the flow of time. So if we manage to travel to a point when Ye Zun hasn’t broken free yet, and even before Wang Xiangyang’s wife died, then the situation we have now can be nipped in the bud.”
Ye Zun: “But the time corrects itself. Even if you change one factor, other factors will steer towards today’s outcome. Moreover, there’s no record of anyone coming back whole after entering a wormhole.”
Zhao Yunlan: “But we’ve still got to try, right?”
Zhao Yunlan sits down and Ye Zun comes closer to the Longevity Dial staring at it with desire in his eyes.
“You’re the Guardian of humankind, yet they call for you to be beaten, even killed. Is it worth it, you doing this?”
That look of realization on Zhao Yunlan’s face – in that moment he knows this is not Shen Wei.
Ye Zun looks very frustrated that he can’t just take the Hallows himself, but he forces a smile and then he turns to Zhao Yunlan and says: “Why don’t I do it for you? I’m from Dixing, I have plenty of experience controlling dark energy. You can hand these Holly Tools over to me.”
I would say that he doesn’t even try very hard to pretend to be Shen Wei here. He’s just so impatient to have the Hallows in his grasp.
Zhan Yunlan laughs. He says: “When you put it like that it makes a lot of sense.”
Ye Zun smiles with such a pleased smiles, thinking he’s won.
Zhao Yunlan says in a light tone: “Ok, I’ll hand these Holly Tools… “ And then he presses his gun into Ye Zun’s side.
He says: “You are not Shen Wei. The things you say would never cross his lips. “Is it worth it?” We don’t deal with matters based on what’s in it for us. You must be Ye Zun. Your cover’s blown.”
Ye Zun smiles. Zhao Yunlan asks him how did he break through the SID’s shield? Ye Zun says, that whoever started the trouble should end it, and he admits that he used the Master od Nightmares one more time. Zhao Yunlan instantly knows who Ye Zun is talking about. He asks: “What did you do to Lin Jing?”
Ye Zun does this with his tongue:
He says: “Just made him dream.”
Zhao Yunlan shoots the gun, but Ye Zun is quicker. Zhao Yunlan tries again with the same result.
Ye Zun tries to use his power on Zhao Yunlan, but at that moment Wang Zheng and Sang Zan run into the room and throw themselves in front of their Chief. Sang Zan says: “Thank you for letting us live again for so long. We’ll see this through.”
Ye Zun is indeed very annoyed at being interrupted and he uses his power to devour Wang Zheng and Sang Zan while Zhao Yunlan looks helplessly unable to do anything. Ye Zun focuses all his power again on Zhao Yunlan. Zhao Yunlan tries to resist and with a lot of effort he raises his gun again.
Then the Hallows start to glow and hum and the wormhole opens in the air.
Shan Wei runs into the room and severs the dark energy connection between Ye Zun and Zhao Yunlan, but it’s too late. Zhao Yunlan got sucked into the wormhole.
Ye Zun disappears, laughing. We hear his voice saying to Shen Wei: “You and I must have an ending. The show has only just started.”
Questions:
1. What did Zhao Yunlan think about Ye Zun looking exactly like Shen Wei? I don’t think his mind jumped to “twins”, so maybe he thought that Ye Zun had power to make himself look like somebody else?
2. What do Wang Zheng and Sang Zan think when they realize that the two men send by Haixing Inspectorate are dead? Do they think that this was not Shen Wei? Or do they think that this is Shen Wei but something is very wrong with him?
3. What Zhao Yunlan plan was when he took the Longevity Dial in the beginning of this scene? Did he expect the Hallows to do something particular at that moment?
4. What do you think about Ye Zun’s words on how time travel works in this universe – that you can’t change anything because the timeline will correct himself anyway.
5. And please talk to me about how Ye Zun imagines Shen Wei talks and behaves like, because Ye Zun’s choices here amuse me so much. :)
So come and discuss it with me. :) Links to meta, picspams, and related fanworks, new or old, are very much appreciated. Basically, this is the place for anything you want to say or link to about this scene.
This is quite a long scene, so the long description is behind the cut. :)
Earlier in the episode Wang Zheng and Sang Zan overpowered and tied up two men send by Minster Gao to close down the SID.
In the beginning of this scene first we see Wang Zheng’s face. She smiles and says “Professor Shen. You’re back!” And we see Ye Zun slowly walking up to them. When they look at Ye Zun Wang Zheng and Sang Zan’s smiles fade. It looks to me a bit as if they right away sense that something is not quite right. Ye Zun praises them for capturing people from Haixing Inspectorate. Wang Zheng frowns seeing the completely un-Shen Wei smile on “Shen Wei’s” face.
Ye Zun uses his powers to kill these two man. And then he asks: “Is my little Yunlan in?”
Wang Zheng nods and Ye Zun leaves them there. Wang Zheng asks, frowning: “Why does professor Shen seem off?”
It’s obvious that they know something is wrong, but they can’t figure out what. Not like it would cross they minds at that moment that this is not Shen Wei, since he’s here in the building, and they think that there is a shield preventing someone who’s not the member of the SID or Shen Wei to enter.
Zhao Yunlan is in the lab where he looks at the Longevity Dial and then decides to try to use it. Of course as soon as he picks it up he has his usual adverse reaction to it.
At the same time Sang Zan checks the pulse of Haixing Inspectorate’s people and he and Wang Zheng realize that these two men are dead.
Ye Zun comes into the lab. Zhao Yunlan is still holding the Longevity Dial and it affects him so much that he sinks to his knees on the floor, shaking. You can see how Ye Zun changes his whole demeanor to what he thinks Shen Wei looks and behaves like.
Ye Zun calls out “Yunlan”, and comes closer. Zhao Yunlan manages to get up from his knees with some effort and he puts the Longevity Dial in its place. He breathes deeply and then he laughs. And here is when I always want to yell at Zhao Yunlan: “Shen Wei saw you fondling the Hallow and didn’t instantly berate you or manhandled you sexily. It’s obvious this is not Shen Wei!” :D
Zhan Yunlan is surprised to see Shen Wei at the SID. He asks: “Why did you come running here and stay at home to rest?” Then he complements Ye Zun’s outfit.
Ye Zun says: “I wasn’t sure if it suits me, so I wore it over for you to take a look.”
Seriously, Ye Zun, that’s what you think your brother’s relationship with his boyfriend is? ;)
Ye Zun asks then: “So, you’re studying the Holly Tools?”
Zhao Yunlan: “I just figured out how to use them. I remember you telling me that the resonance from the Holly Tools does not only predicts the future, it can also disrupt the flow of time. So if we manage to travel to a point when Ye Zun hasn’t broken free yet, and even before Wang Xiangyang’s wife died, then the situation we have now can be nipped in the bud.”
Ye Zun: “But the time corrects itself. Even if you change one factor, other factors will steer towards today’s outcome. Moreover, there’s no record of anyone coming back whole after entering a wormhole.”
Zhao Yunlan: “But we’ve still got to try, right?”
Zhao Yunlan sits down and Ye Zun comes closer to the Longevity Dial staring at it with desire in his eyes.
“You’re the Guardian of humankind, yet they call for you to be beaten, even killed. Is it worth it, you doing this?”
That look of realization on Zhao Yunlan’s face – in that moment he knows this is not Shen Wei.
Ye Zun looks very frustrated that he can’t just take the Hallows himself, but he forces a smile and then he turns to Zhao Yunlan and says: “Why don’t I do it for you? I’m from Dixing, I have plenty of experience controlling dark energy. You can hand these Holly Tools over to me.”
I would say that he doesn’t even try very hard to pretend to be Shen Wei here. He’s just so impatient to have the Hallows in his grasp.
Zhan Yunlan laughs. He says: “When you put it like that it makes a lot of sense.”
Ye Zun smiles with such a pleased smiles, thinking he’s won.
Zhao Yunlan says in a light tone: “Ok, I’ll hand these Holly Tools… “ And then he presses his gun into Ye Zun’s side.
He says: “You are not Shen Wei. The things you say would never cross his lips. “Is it worth it?” We don’t deal with matters based on what’s in it for us. You must be Ye Zun. Your cover’s blown.”
Ye Zun smiles. Zhao Yunlan asks him how did he break through the SID’s shield? Ye Zun says, that whoever started the trouble should end it, and he admits that he used the Master od Nightmares one more time. Zhao Yunlan instantly knows who Ye Zun is talking about. He asks: “What did you do to Lin Jing?”
Ye Zun does this with his tongue:
He says: “Just made him dream.”
Zhao Yunlan shoots the gun, but Ye Zun is quicker. Zhao Yunlan tries again with the same result.
Ye Zun tries to use his power on Zhao Yunlan, but at that moment Wang Zheng and Sang Zan run into the room and throw themselves in front of their Chief. Sang Zan says: “Thank you for letting us live again for so long. We’ll see this through.”
Ye Zun is indeed very annoyed at being interrupted and he uses his power to devour Wang Zheng and Sang Zan while Zhao Yunlan looks helplessly unable to do anything. Ye Zun focuses all his power again on Zhao Yunlan. Zhao Yunlan tries to resist and with a lot of effort he raises his gun again.
Then the Hallows start to glow and hum and the wormhole opens in the air.
Shan Wei runs into the room and severs the dark energy connection between Ye Zun and Zhao Yunlan, but it’s too late. Zhao Yunlan got sucked into the wormhole.
Ye Zun disappears, laughing. We hear his voice saying to Shen Wei: “You and I must have an ending. The show has only just started.”
Questions:
1. What did Zhao Yunlan think about Ye Zun looking exactly like Shen Wei? I don’t think his mind jumped to “twins”, so maybe he thought that Ye Zun had power to make himself look like somebody else?
2. What do Wang Zheng and Sang Zan think when they realize that the two men send by Haixing Inspectorate are dead? Do they think that this was not Shen Wei? Or do they think that this is Shen Wei but something is very wrong with him?
3. What Zhao Yunlan plan was when he took the Longevity Dial in the beginning of this scene? Did he expect the Hallows to do something particular at that moment?
4. What do you think about Ye Zun’s words on how time travel works in this universe – that you can’t change anything because the timeline will correct himself anyway.
5. And please talk to me about how Ye Zun imagines Shen Wei talks and behaves like, because Ye Zun’s choices here amuse me so much. :)
So come and discuss it with me. :) Links to meta, picspams, and related fanworks, new or old, are very much appreciated. Basically, this is the place for anything you want to say or link to about this scene.
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Either way though, even if they weren’t sure at that point, I don’t know that it would change their actions/decisions. Whether it’s Shen Wei voluntarily turning evil, Shen Wei being controlled, or an imposter taking on his appearance, he would need to be stopped, so they would still rush in to do so, and would still throw themselves into the line of fire to try to save Zhao Yunlan when they saw he was being killed.
That’s a good point and I agree. At that moment it didn’t matter if it was the impostor od real Shen Wei suddenly going evil. They would still do the same thing.
The time travel aspects of this show are so fascinating!
They sure are for me. I love time travel and I love what Guardian chose to do wit it. 😊
And then, he notably says to Zhao Yunlan in episode 20, “We changed the future by accident this time. What about next time?” To me, that falls pretty firmly in establishing that alternate timelines are possible, that decisions can be made at any point that result in divergences/forked pathways, rather than there being one, set timeline that self-corrects back to a default regardless of attempts to make changes.
Ohhh, I forgot about Shen Wei saying that about changing the future. But you’re right, I think that the alternate timelines are probably possible. And I absolutely agree with what you said about Zhao Yunlan’s travel to the past, that it was “a result of multiple key individuals making choices (that could have gone other ways, and may very well have gone differently in other versions of the timeline) which actively sought to keep this time-travel self-consistent.”
Also Ye Zun says in the scene I’m describing that: “But the time corrects itself. Even if you change one factor, other factors will steer towards today’s outcome.” And wouldn’t that mean that changing thing in the past is actually possible? Because Ye Zun suggests that even if Zhao Yunlan did manage to change one thing in the past, let’s say save Wang Xiangyang’s wife, Ye Zun would still find some other poor devastated person eager for revenge, for instance, and convince them to play the same part Wang Xiangyang played before. So for the SID the outcome wouldn’t change but for Wang Xiangyang and his wife it certainly would.
And that just brings more questions. 😊 But who knows, maybe some big events are fixed points in time and you can’t change them, and some smaller ones you can?
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That would be tricky, though, since Wang Xiangyang is the master of the Merit Brush. They'd have to find some other way to get their hands on the Hallow.
*pets Bai Suxia*
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Oh, you're right. So even if Zhao Yunlan could save Bai Suxia, maybe Ye Zun would kill her later anyway and lie to Wang Xiangyang about it, to give Wang Xiangyang motivation to join him against the SID. Or maybe Ye Zun would just steal the Merit Brush.
I love time travel. :) And it's such fun to speculate what could have happened in different ways if changing the past was possible.
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Yes! So many possibilities! :-D