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Slo-Mo Rewatch: Guardian episode 7, part 2

Hi, welcome to this week's instalment of the Guardian drama Slo-Mo Rewatch! Watch half an episode a week, and then come and chat about it here in comments. Or you can just jump into the comments without rewatching, of course!
Here is last week's half-episode. On to the second half!
Episode 7, from 24:30
Summary: The SID finds Lai Su's house and confronts him. He reveals that someone promised him fame and fortune if he published webnovels, and he kept at it despite knowing about the murders. Lin Jing is disappointed and furious at his idol. Lai Su writes a final chapter to end his webnovel career, and ends up dying his character's death. Zhu Jiu tries to break into the SID and discovers the black energy shield. And Zhao Yunlan visits Shen Wei to talk about the case. Shen Wei is very touched that he sympathises with a Dixingren.

Quote:
Lin Jing: "If you can't take responsibility for every word you write, you don't deserve to be called an author. You don't even deserve to be called a person!"
Detail:
Lin Jing describes the final chapter of the webnovel with the monster's death as follows: "He was engulfed by guilt for his many crimes. In the end, his own reflection in a lake scared him to death."
Since we actually see the text of the chapter on screen, I thought it'd be fun to plug the screencaps into Google Translate - here's the result:
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Questions:
Do you have a favourite line in in this half of the episode? What do you think about Lin Jing's angry words to Lai Su? How great is Lai Su's house? Any parallels between this case and the drama's overall plot? Any parallels with the novel you can think of? Why is Zhu Jiu only now discovering the SID's shield? What's your favourite part of the final scene between Shen Wei and Zhao Yunlan?
(These are all just conversation starters - feel free to answer all, some, or none, and to say as much or as little as you like! You don't have to be keeping up with the rewatch to join in!)
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After Zhao Yunlan breaking into Shen Wei's flat, now LJ breaks into Lai Su's, showing that at least two SID members have lockpicking skills. Da Qing, meanwhile, can smell that there's a human around.
Oooh, and a Lin Jing invention that I never remember because it never turns up again - he has a life signs detector, which promptly breaks down when he tries to show it off! Hee!
They find the secret passage by Xiao-Guo accidentally leaning on the switch, LOL. But I love how competent CSZ is as an investigator.
LOLOLOL at Lai Su under his blanket, visibly trembling in that corner! :D
Lin Jing is so excited to meet his idol, and then so disappointed when he discovers the truth, awww! (Motto of the episode: never meet your idols.)
And Lai Su at first thinks they're fans come to harass him for new chapters! And when Zhao Yunlan seems unconvinced that Lai Su is entirely innocent reaping the fame and fortune from this, he tries to bribe Lin Jing into helping him convince Zhao Yunlan! Which Lin Jing really can't stand. He's already so disappointed, and now he gets extra harsh on him. He physically pushes him away! "If you can't take responsibility for every word you write, you don't deserve to be called an author. You don't even deserve to be called a person!" Which on the one hand says a lot about Lin Jing and his values - but on the other, at this point he definitely hasn't realised yet that that applies to his own and his mentor's creations just as much.
Looks like Lin Jing got through to Lai Su, anyway, since afterwards he mutters to himself about it all being his fault. I wonder if Lin Jing realises that ...
(Also, Zhao Yunlan's expression when LJ goes off on his rant! Hee! I just had to pick it for the screencap this time.)
In the whole scene at Lai Su's, Zhao Yunlan sits very normally on the sofa, but once he leaves, Da Qing sits down on the table.
Lin Jing says earlier in the episode that the murderer was the protagonist, and in the on-screen final chapter it turns out that in fact, the protagonist is also a self-insert, making Lai Su killing himself by killing the protagonist extra fitting. (The author is 来苏 Lai Su, the character in the webnovel is 来苏 Su Lai.)
Lai Su thinks he's just stopping his webnovel career and connection with the murders; he thinks he can go back to a normal life. And Zhu Jiu can't help himself, he thanks him for writing the end of his own life just before the monster manifests. (He must have been monitoring him very closely ...)
(Important detail: the monster is not, in fact, a youchu! It wasn't a youchu any more than it was a bear!)
And we were wondering with Wu Tian'en why they didn't take him to a doctor, but given Lin JIng is here examining the corpse, he seems to have a lot of medical knowledge. I guess he's their medic too, on top of everything else ...
Everyone looks pretty affected by Lai Su's death - definitely far more than anyone cared about any of the three murders in the Wang Yike case! Oh, and Xiao-Guo apparently hasn't caught on about what's going on, once again - and AGAIN, no one explains anything to him! (Or at least they don't on screen; they may after the camera cuts away.) I never realised this was a pattern until this rewatch, but now it's suddenly everywhere!
Oooh, this is the episode with the SID ID cards that identify Lin Jing's job as 技术支持 tech support, Wang Zheng's as 人事 HR, and Chu Shuzhi's and Guo Changcheng's as 外勤 field work! In the wider shot, we can see the card for Zhu Hong and a bit of the one for Da Qing in the background, but alas, the text is too blurry to make out. /o\
The way Zhu Jiu goes about trying to break into the SID is so weird. He triggers the alarm, then tries to teleport in when Lao-Li opens the door to check. a) Why doesn't he just try when someone's coming or going normally? And b) why does Lao-Li just open the door after an alarm? That's not very good security! Oh, and relatedly, c) why hasn't Zhu Jiu tried to get into the SID before this? So many questions!
What Zhao Yunlan says about Lai Su overusing his powers and writing horror - I really wonder what would have happened if he'd ended up writing cosy romance instead!
And so much AWWWWWW for the way they smile at each other, and how incredibly touched Shen Wei is by Zhao Yunlan sympathising with Lai Su! But also, oh Zhao Yunlan, you still have a long way to go. Because he totally tries to laugh off the seriousness of the moment, though of course it can in no way undercut how very serious and affected Shen Wei is. ♥ ♥ ♥
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he has a life signs detector, which promptly breaks down when he tries to show it off! Hee!
I wonder whether Lai Su's power unconsciously defeated it, since he was trying to hide. Lin Jing's devices are usually pretty reliable, aren't they? The dark-energy detector only stops working once the nature of dark energy in the city changes. (Or maybe this is here to show they're not infallible, so we don't get confused when DQ says next episode that the dark energy detector didn't ping when LJ checked SW.)
But I love how competent CSZ is as an investigator.
Yes! Once again, he's the real adult in the room. <3
Motto of the episode: never meet your idols.
Yes! This was why I wondered if that could be feeding into ZYL's character arc somehow.
but on the other, at this point he definitely hasn't realised yet that that applies to his own and his mentor's creations just as much.
Ha, yes! And then he ends up working with Prof Ouyang later on.
(Also, Zhao Yunlan's expression when LJ goes off on his rant! Hee! I just had to pick it for the screencap this time.)
Hee! Great choice! :D
but given Lin Jing is here examining the corpse, he seems to have a lot of medical knowledge. I guess he's their medic too, on top of everything else ...
But he doesn't have any life-saving equipment, and no one tries CPR or first aid or anything. *frowns at TV conventions generally for setting a bad example*
What Zhao Yunlan says about Lai Su overusing his powers and writing horror - I really wonder what would have happened if he'd ended up writing cosy romance instead!
Aww! But his previous writing wasn't popular, was it? It was only when he started writing horror that it took off.
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I wonder whether Lai Su's power unconsciously defeated it, since he was trying to hide.
I could totally see that, yes! I think you're also right that it's here to show these things aren't infallible, because that's not the kind of expectation that would be good for this show, but in-universe, black energy powers potentially interfering/being able to defeat it makes a lot of sense!
I noticed it especially, because ZYL gets so close and is actually quite gentle with him (and also the leg crossing).
Awww! I did notice him getting close but somehow my brain skipped over the table. *g*
But he doesn't have any life-saving equipment, and no one tries CPR or first aid or anything. *frowns at TV conventions generally for setting a bad example*
Yeah, that's pure TV convention, and I don't like it either.
Aww! But his previous writing wasn't popular, was it? It was only when he started writing horror that it took off.
Yes, but I wasn't wondering about his career, I was wondering how that would make his powers manifest. He previously only published snippets until Zhu Jiu encouraged him towards novels, so presumably he manifested only small effects, not full murder scenarios, even if his snippets were horror too. (I think the full narrative is needed for his power to work.)
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Aww, maybe his previous stories weren't horror and they did manifest lovely side-effects, but they weren't popular enough that anyone noticed the connections. Just, "Wow, we're getting a lot of beautiful sunsets this winter." ;D
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- Right in the opening scene, is Zhao Yunlan whistling again? xD :D (I know this time it's just to show he's all chill and all alone, there are totally no other people with him at all, lol. But that's a lot of whistling that he's been doing recently. xD)
- The Crow is intentionally drawing attention to themselves, but idk why? (Probably for no particular reason and it's just a novel reference to the Crows being a bad omen, especially with the way it makes Xiao Guo react.)
- "That girl never complained once doing field work", lolol, maybe not to Zhao Yunlan (which makes sense!) but CSZ is standing right there and at least he knows that this is not exactly true. xD :D
- Why aren't they using the more fancy lockpicks that Zhao Yunlan had for Shen Wei's door? To make things harder for Lin Jing? :P
- What is this sculpture? Just a random shape or does it mean something? (I'm sure someone somewhere has talked about it already. xD)
- Zhao Yunlan sitting on everyone's coffee tables. xD After getting up from a chair too. xD
- Earlier in this episode, during the explanation at the hospital, Lin Jing pictured himself in the exact same room:
(On this rewatch I noticed it immediately because I've watched
I feel like this scene was intended for after he found out what Lai Su's room looks like. :P I'm just not sure if it's him picturing himself there because he's a fan, or him actually being there and finding something exciting on Lai Su's actual computer.
- Until now I've always assumed that the monster was a Youchu because Youchu often look different from each other, like in the novel. But after reading your comments I started to wonder if that's what was intended, because all the drama Youchu do look the same (but then again they come in a group so maybe they're closely related or something)? And it would make more sense if this is not a (fictional) Youchu, just a fully fictional monster.
- I don't remember if there's anything more about this later, but Zhu Jiu didn't actually give Lai Su fame, did he? (It's far too early for the Merit Brush, isn't it? And I'm not sure even it could do that, let alone Zhu Jiu himself? Unless he was promoting him on forums the mundane way, lmao.) Lai Su just had more confidence to write, and the fame just came because he deserved it? Which kinda makes his story even sadder.
- And also, why? Was Zhu Jiu just testing his powers, like with the others in the earlier episodes? (And how did he know about his powers if even Lai Su himself didn't?) Like, he had no reason to get all these people killed.
- Lin Jing's sudden medical knowledge/equipment is impressive! (But both translations saying "speak English" sounds kinda off to me, lol.)
- Is Lao Li actually carving bones? :D He presumably doesn't have any of the novel backstory, but he does that regardless, aww!
- I like Zhao Yunlan twirling the brush. :D
- "Who knows, the two of us right now might be characters in someone's book." :D :D :D It's so sweet, idek, and they're so soft when they smile at each other. ♡♡♡
- Gratuitous picture of Zhao Yunlan's flirty face. :D :D
- What Zhao Yunlan says at the end about the stormy weather is so similar to what Heipaoshi says in the first episode!
"Since we actually see the text of the chapter on screen, I thought it'd be fun to plug the screencaps into Google Translate"
Oooh, thank you! :D I'm assuming the text is the same in both (I'm not checking xD), and the different translations is just google being weird?
"Do you have a favourite line in in this half of the episode?"
A scene is easier to choose than a line this time. :D Definitely the ending scene. ♡♡♡ And yeah, probably the "characters in someone's book" line. :D
"What do you think about Lin Jing's angry words to Lai Su?"
Yeah no, I'm 100% with Zhao Yunlan and Xiao Guo here, going slightly wtf. xD (Fantastic screencap! :D) I think there's definitely something to be angry about (like not checking more thoroughly why the murders are happening once he finds out about them? but I'm not sure if he would discover anything or just dissociate away), but otherwise none of this is about the responsibility for his words? He doesn't know that he's at fault, just that some killer somewhere is inspired by what he wrote - if that was actually the case, he wouldn't be at fault for the fiction he wrote, the killer would be at fault (not even for following the fiction, just for killing people, regardless of the method).
"How great is Lai Su's house?"
I kept looking at that apparent altar of a random shape, lol, so I apparently paid little attention to anything else, but it is cool and unique. :D
"Any parallels between this case and the drama's overall plot? Any parallels with the novel you can think of?"
I've listed everything I could think of in my comment, but I'm sure there are more. :D
"Why is Zhu Jiu only now discovering the SID's shield?"
Just about everything Zhu Jiu does in this episode confuses me majorly, and I didn't even think of this, but yep, this does too. xD
"What's your favourite part of the final scene between Shen Wei and Zhao Yunlan?"
The way they're smiling at each other, so soft and comfortable! *melts* ♡♡♡
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But that's a lot of whistling that he's been doing recently. xD
Oh yes, great catch! :D
The Crow is intentionally drawing attention to themselves, but idk why? (Probably for no particular reason and it's just a novel reference to the Crows being a bad omen, especially with the way it makes Xiao Guo react.)
Oh, are they? I hadn't thought of it that way! In drama-only terms it's just seeding the presence of Crows before we discover Zhu Jiu working with them, and the Crow is drawing the viewer's attention, but I have no idea why in-universe this Crow would want to draw attention to themseves either ...
"That girl never complained once doing field work", lolol, maybe not to Zhao Yunlan (which makes sense!) but CSZ is standing right there and at least he knows that this is not exactly true. xD :D
Ha! I didn't even catch that, but you're so right! She just doesn't complain to Zhao Yunlan! LOL!
Why aren't they using the more fancy lockpicks that Zhao Yunlan had for Shen Wei's door? To make things harder for Lin Jing? :P
They look pretty identical to me? In fact I suspect it's the same set of lockpicks. It's hard to get a good cap of ZYL's since he's constantly spinning, but:
What is this sculpture? Just a random shape or does it mean something? (I'm sure someone somewhere has talked about it already. xD)
If they have, I've missed it, because I have no idea! I can't see it at
Zhao Yunlan sitting on everyone's coffee tables. xD After getting up from a chair too. xD
LOL, I can't believe I missed that, I think I saw him sitting in an actual armchair and my brain went "does not compute" and refused to see anything else. *g*
Earlier in this episode, during the explanation at the hospital, Lin Jing pictured himself in the exact same room
You caught so much reat stuff! It's so clearly the same desk and I totally missed it. I think you're probably right that it's a repurposed clip that was originally intended to go later. Maybe they had to change some stuff about the monster plot due to censorship?
Until now I've always assumed that the monster was a Youchu because Youchu often look different from each other, like in the novel. But after reading your comments I started to wonder if that's what was intended, because all the drama Youchu do look the same (but then again they come in a group so maybe they're closely related or something)? And it would make more sense if this is not a (fictional) Youchu, just a fully fictional monster.
Yeah, truth be told, same here! Somehow I always thought it was meant to be a (weird, imaginary version of a) youchu, but this time I looked at it just once and went, nope! Obviously this is not a youchu, why would it be? It looks nothing like one! I think we were all led astray by Da Qing's speculation. *headdesk*
I don't remember if there's anything more about this later, but Zhu Jiu didn't actually give Lai Su fame, did he?
Not literally, but I think he promoted him, not quite in a normal way, but by spreading rumours about the webnovel's connection to the real-world crimes that Lai Su's imagination made happen, to drive up the views. Otherwise, yeah, Lai Su had lots of passionate fans because people actually liked his works, nothing artificial about that part.
And also, why? Was Zhu Jiu just testing his powers, like with the others in the earlier episodes? (And how did he know about his powers if even Lai Su himself didn't?) Like, he had no reason to get all these people killed.
That's a good question! I have no idea how he and Ya Qing find all these Dixingren they recruit, and Lai Su is even harder to imagine than most because he didn't even know. (Super-detective Zhu Jiu?) What his goals were, I'm not sure, but he may have recruited him and then not really figured out a way to use him for anything that helped with his plans? But Zhu Jiu seems to enjoy stirring up trouble and causing death and suffering overall, so maybe he just did it as a hobby. /o\
Lin Jing's sudden medical knowledge/equipment is impressive! (But both translations saying "speak English" sounds kinda off to me, lol.)
Yeah, he's apparently the medic too, LOL. And "speak English" totally throws me out too. The Viki subs have "Speak in human language", which works better for me here.
Is Lao Li actually carving bones? :D He presumably doesn't have any of the novel backstory, but he does that regardless, aww!
I can't make out clearly what he's carving, but I love that the carving is there!
"Who knows, the two of us right now might be characters in someone's book." :D :D :D It's so sweet, idek, and they're so soft when they smile at each other. ♡♡♡
Yes, it's lovely! And it's so nice to see them all soft and on the same page again. ♥ ♥ ♥
What Zhao Yunlan says at the end about the stormy weather is so similar to what Heipaoshi says in the first episode!
Ooh, yes! Great catch!
Oooh, thank you! :D I'm assuming the text is the same in both (I'm not checking xD), and the different translations is just google being weird?
Yeah, as far as I can tell it's the same text, but Google Translate is very weird. *g*
A scene is easier to choose than a line this time. :D Definitely the ending scene. ♡♡♡ And yeah, probably the "characters in someone's book" line. :D
Both excellent choices! Totally agreed about the scene. (I think my favourite line is Shen Wei's "I never thought that I'd hear you say something like this" bit. ♥ ♥ ♥
Yeah no, I'm 100% with Zhao Yunlan and Xiao Guo here, going slightly wtf. xD (Fantastic screencap! :D)
They're so shocked by Lin Jing going off like this, it's amazing! :D
IMO the right thing to do would have been to talk to the police about this killer apparently imitating his books, not that that would have done much good given the circumstances. And I get that Lin Jing is super disappointed that Lai Su just kept writing and ignoring the murders. But I completely agree that this has nothing to do with taking responsibility for his works! Lin Jing is so OTT here, I love it. He feels so strongly! ♥
The way they're smiling at each other, so soft and comfortable! *melts* ♡♡♡
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS ♥ ♥ ♥
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I guess. But then you'd think the police would have taken notice sooner?
I have no idea how he and Ya Qing find all these Dixingren they recruit, and Lai Su is even harder to imagine than most because he didn't even know.
Maybe Ya Qing or a FOAF knew one of Lai Su's parents?
But Zhu Jiu seems to enjoy stirring up trouble and causing death and suffering overall, so maybe he just did it as a hobby. /o\
I was wondering if he was testing the SID (and the Envoy)?
I think my favourite line is Shen Wei's "I never thought that I'd hear you say something like this" bit. ♥ ♥ ♥
It's lovely, but I just thought -- surely he knows ZYL will one day say something like this?!
IMO the right thing to do would have been to talk to the police about this killer apparently imitating his books
*high fives*
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Eh, rumours about horror stories being totally real is kind of a thing; it makes sense that it would take more than one or two parallels for people to take it seriously.
Maybe Ya Qing or a FOAF knew one of Lai Su's parents?
I had to google "FOAF"! But yeah, that's a good point, that's definitely a possibility!
I was wondering if he was testing the SID (and the Envoy)?
Maybe? I'm not really seeing how, but if you have any thoughts in that direction I'm curious!
It's lovely, but I just thought -- surely he knows ZYL will one day say something like this?!
True. But I don't think he means it quite so literally, he means the ZYL of right now, and the phrasing is just habitual obfuscating of the time loop.
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Just throwing case after case at them to see how they react and wear them out? Idk. Zhu Jiu is a bit opaque to me.
But I don't think he means it quite so literally, he means the ZYL of right now, and the phrasing is just habitual obfuscating of the time loop.
That's true. And it is SO lovely a sentiment, with the shining eyes of unshed tears and everything. :D
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*HUGSSSSS* Thank you so much! ♡♡♡ It's really good to be here, and I hope I can do it more. ♡♡♡
"Oh, are they? I hadn't thought of it that way! In drama-only terms it's just seeding the presence of Crows before we discover Zhu Jiu working with them, and the Crow is drawing the viewer's attention, but I have no idea why in-universe this Crow would want to draw attention to themseves either ..."
I'm reading a lot more comments than I can reply to rn, and I completely agree with
"They look pretty identical to me? In fact I suspect it's the same set of lockpicks. It's hard to get a good cap of ZYL's since he's constantly spinning, but:"
Ahh, thank you for capturing the elusive lockpicks! xD He's spinning them so fast I could never see them clearly, and yep, you're totally right, it's definitely the same set. :D I'm glad no one is making Lin Jing's job harder on purpose. :P
"LOL, I can't believe I missed that, I think I saw him sitting in an actual armchair and my brain went "does not compute" and refused to see anything else. *g*"
Heeee, yep, there's something inherently off about Zhao Yunlan sitting properly. ;D :D I love how this is kind of an upgrade of what he did at Ji Xiaobai's place - there was some space on the couch there but he chose the coffee table. :D And this time he had a whole armchair all to himself and he abandoned it for the table anyway. :D
"I think you're probably right that it's a repurposed clip that was originally intended to go later. Maybe they had to change some stuff about the monster plot due to censorship?"
I was thinking maybe it was a longer story that got shortened to barely half an episode, or they didn't want Lin Jing to go from really excited to really angry in such a short time, but I could totally see censorship too - since apparently the one thing they got really pissed about was making Ye Zun too sympathetic (?), maybe Lin Jing as a fan of the villain was only allowed to be 100% wrong and angry at this point, not excited. And it's such a cute clip that the creators really wanted to put it somewhere. :D
"Yeah, truth be told, same here! Somehow I always thought it was meant to be a (weird, imaginary version of a) youchu, but this time I looked at it just once and went, nope! Obviously this is not a youchu, why would it be? It looks nothing like one! I think we were all led astray by Da Qing's speculation. *headdesk*"
*HIGH FIVE* I can't really tell what the actual intention was, but "why would it be" is exactly what makes it pretty clear that it's not a Youchu - Lai Su knew nothing about them, Zhu Jiu wasn't actually involved in how his powers worked, and accidentally creating a Youchu and not just a random monster is just extremely unlikely.
"Not literally, but I think he promoted him, not quite in a normal way, but by spreading rumours about the webnovel's connection to the real-world crimes that Lai Su's imagination made happen, to drive up the views. Otherwise, yeah, Lai Su had lots of passionate fans because people actually liked his works, nothing artificial about that part."
Ah, yeah, the rumors would give the novel a lot of views, true! And then people stayed for the actual quality, not just for the sensationalism, which is the sad part, ouch.
"The Viki subs have "Speak in human language", which works better for me here."
Oh, that's good to know! Zhao Yunlan literally says 说人话, and then both of the subs I have went with English. I'm glad that at least someone didn't. :D
"And it's so nice to see them all soft and on the same page again. ♥ ♥ ♥"
Aww, I genuinely feel like they never stopped being all soft and on the same page. :D
(Which is why I see Zhao Yunlan being all excited and happy in the morning after his 'date' with Shen Wei as a direct consequence of it, and not something that I'd need to reconcile with the liniment scene - to me they simply did have a good time, he just bolted because he didn't want to say too much again. :D)
(If any of this is too much debating, just ignore me! :) ♡)
I could write more about this (because I know there's a really cool thread under the other post ♡♡♡), but in the end this is just the way I want things to be, in my own headcanon. :) I just like them happy and comfortable in each other's presence, and the only things in the way are secrets and some silly blunders, and not angst about their interactions/something not being good enough. :) (If it sounds like I'm taking the fun out of the getting-together process, I don't mind. :D To me the opposite feels like I'd be adding something bleak/bitter that I don't want to add to my fun, even if it gets resolved quickly. ♡)
"I think my favourite line is Shen Wei's "I never thought that I'd hear you say something like this" bit. ♥ ♥ ♥"
He's almost crying! ♡♡♡ *rewatches and melts*
Oh hey, another thing I got from rewatching it right now is that the "characters in someone's book" line is not just (excellent :D) cheeky fourth wall breaking, it also feels like it's giving Shen Wei's feelings because he knows that there is this huge epic story that they are actually in. ♡♡♡ Which is probably obvious, but I didn't get it until now. :D
"IMO the right thing to do would have been to talk to the police about this killer apparently imitating his books, not that that would have done much good given the circumstances."
True! But the police did know about the murders, didn't they? And people have speculated that there's a connection for a long time, so it was kinda also the police's responsibility to question Lai Su earlier? (And he wasn't even afraid that they would, he was only hiding from fans, so I think he really didn't think any of this was actually his fault, to the point of not even having any subconscious fear of consequences.) But yeah, talking to someone was still something he could have tried doing.
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:D :D :D :D :D :D :D (He doesn't care what he's sitting on. Location is everything.) (LOL, now I'm imagining him sitting on Shen Wei's coffee table during the liniment scene!! :D :D :D)
Oh hey, another thing I got from rewatching it right now is that the "characters in someone's book" line is not just (excellent :D) cheeky fourth wall breaking, it also feels like it's giving Shen Wei's feelings because he knows that there is this huge epic story that they are actually in. ♡♡♡ Which is probably obvious, but I didn't get it until now. :D
Ooh, I haven't thought about that before either. Awww! *hearts*
But the police did know about the murders, didn't they? And people have speculated that there's a connection for a long time, so it was kinda also the police's responsibility to question Lai Su earlier?
True! And he felt like he was being framed/set up, so maybe going to the police was too scary. (And maybe he was too busy, you know, ~writing~ and being into his story to think much beyond it. *pets him*)
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I hope so too! ♥ ♥ ♥
the Crow is alerting Zhu Jiu, and doesn't care if the SID people are also paying attention or not
Yeah, that's an excellent point - the Crow probably doesn't care whether they notice, because what difference does it make?
Ahh, thank you for capturing the elusive lockpicks! xD He's spinning them so fast I could never see them clearly, and yep, you're totally right, it's definitely the same set. :D
I never noticed that before, or paid any attention to the lockpicks, so thank you for drawing my attention there, that was such a fun little discovery! :D
"LOL, I can't believe I missed that, I think I saw him sitting in an actual armchair and my brain went "does not compute" and refused to see anything else. *g*"
And this time he had a whole armchair all to himself and he abandoned it for the table anyway. :D
RIGHT????? Also thanks for pointing out the parallel with the Mirror Girl case!
I was thinking maybe it was a longer story that got shortened to barely half an episode, or they didn't want Lin Jing to go from really excited to really angry in such a short time, but I could totally see censorship too - since apparently the one thing they got really pissed about was making Ye Zun too sympathetic (?), maybe Lin Jing as a fan of the villain was only allowed to be 100% wrong and angry at this point, not excited. And it's such a cute clip that the creators really wanted to put it somewhere. :D
True, the censors are especially twitchy about sympathetic villains for some reason! But yeah, that's a good point too, it might have been a longer case originally. Maybe they were coming too close to one of the other things the censors are especially twitchy about, which is anything supernatural in modern-day settings? (aka the reason why it's always aliens and mutants! Not that I'm objecting, I love those.) Maybe they were originally leaning more into the ghost story thing, and had to adjust their plot because even ghosts manifested by mutants are too much if they're too spooky? Idk. *g*
And it's definitely a cute clip, so I totally get why they'd want to use it!
but "why would it be" is exactly what makes it pretty clear that it's not a Youchu - Lai Su knew nothing about them, Zhu Jiu wasn't actually involved in how his powers worked, and accidentally creating a Youchu and not just a random monster is just extremely unlikely.
Yes! Somehow that never hit me before, but it's very clear to me now, LOL.
And then people stayed for the actual quality, not just for the sensationalism, which is the sad part, ouch.
Yeah! The readers might have originally found Lai Su's novels because of Zhu Jiu, but the fans were all fans because they liked his writing. Poor guy.
to me they simply did have a good time, he just bolted because he didn't want to say too much again. :D
So you read it as him being twitchy because he's afraid he'll give himself away? Awwww. *pets him* Shen Wei totally wouldn't mind! ♥
If any of this is too much debating, just ignore me! :) ♡
No worries! We read the scene differently, but I'm not bothered by discussing it, so long as you aren't. *hugs*
I just like them happy and comfortable in each other's presence, and the only things in the way are secrets and some silly blunders, and not angst about their interactions/something not being good enough. :) (If it sounds like I'm taking the fun out of the getting-together process, I don't mind. :D To me the opposite feels like I'd be adding something bleak/bitter that I don't want to add to my fun, even if it gets resolved quickly. ♡)
Heh. That makes sense! To me it only adds something bleak if it goes too far in that direction, but a little bit of it enhances the sweetness, like a pinch of salt in the pudding. *g* Also, I really like ZYL having a character arc where he's growing into being Kunlun, and struggling with it a bit; that's part of the fun of the time loop to me, and this ties into it.
Oh hey, another thing I got from rewatching it right now is that the "characters in someone's book" line is not just (excellent :D) cheeky fourth wall breaking, it also feels like it's giving Shen Wei's feelings because he knows that there is this huge epic story that they are actually in. ♡♡♡ Which is probably obvious, but I didn't get it until now. :D
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH I also didn't put this together until you said it!!!!! Yes! There's this whole epic story going on that ZYL is a part of without realising, but SW knows, so of course he's having ALLLLL the feelings about that too! ♥ ♥ ♥
But the police did know about the murders, didn't they? And people have speculated that there's a connection for a long time, so it was kinda also the police's responsibility to question Lai Su earlier?
The police knew about the murders, and fans were speculating about a connection, but depending on how public those fan spaces were, the police might not have been aware at all of those rumours until they went more public. (That's how I interpreted it - that it was fandom-internal stuff until the most recent murder, when the rumours broke containment.) So I feel like Lai Su could/should have alerted the police. And if they did know, he still couldn't have been sure they knew, so he still should have talked to them anyway - he could have pointed them to his communications with Zhu Jiu, at least, which they couldn't have been aware of.
But I totally agree, he really wasn't aware that this was his doing, at all. And I think he really didn't want to believe that the person who got him into publishing was the murderer, either.
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is Zhao Yunlan whistling again? xD :D
Hee! Do you think it's *innocent whistling, nothing to see*? Or *whenever I feel afraid, I whistle a happy tune*? ;D I assume the former.
The Crow is intentionally drawing attention to themselves, but idk why?
Oh, the Crow must alert Zhu Jiu that the SID are getting involved, right? That's how he knows? Idk why it would deliberately make itself obvious, though.
"That girl never complained once doing field work", lolol, maybe not to Zhao Yunlan (which makes sense!) but CSZ is standing right there and at least he knows that this is not exactly true. xD :D
LOL! :D :D :D
Zhao Yunlan sitting on everyone's coffee tables. xD After getting up from a chair too. xD
I knoooow. The way he leans down, getting right in Lai Su's face. :D
Ha, I never would have picked up the same room thing. :D
Lai Su just had more confidence to write, and the fame just came because he deserved it? Which kinda makes his story even sadder.
It really does!
Was Zhu Jiu just testing his powers, like with the others in the earlier episodes?
I think that must be it -- and maybe testing the SID, too?
I like Zhao Yunlan twirling the brush. :D
Yes! :D
It's so sweet, idek, and they're so soft when they smile at each other. ♡♡♡
They're both just so happy to be there together, asfasdfasdfad :D :D :D
What Zhao Yunlan says at the end about the stormy weather is so similar to what Heipaoshi says in the first episode!
Oh yes, great point! :D
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I see it the same way you do.
Oh, the Crow must alert Zhu Jiu that the SID are getting involved, right?
Oh, duh! Yes, of course that's what the Crow is doing. Maybe the making-themselves-obvious is just a side effect of calling out a message?
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The Crows do seem very prone to caw-ing, even Ya Qing. :-)
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*HUGSSSS* *CLINGS* It's so good to be here! ♡♡♡♡♡ (Episode 8 indeed!! ♡♡♡ :D It has like a million of my favorite scenes from the whole show, one after another. :D :D I hope I get to watch it sooner this time! ♡)
"Hee! Do you think it's *innocent whistling, nothing to see*? Or *whenever I feel afraid, I whistle a happy tune*? ;D I assume the former."
Definitely 'nothing to see here', and also possibly 'I totally didn't bring any other people with me'. xD
"Oh, the Crow must alert Zhu Jiu that the SID are getting involved, right? That's how he knows? Idk why it would deliberately make itself obvious, though."
YES, this must be it, you're totally right! And I think it simply doesn't matter if the SID people are also paying attention or not.
"I knoooow. The way he leans down, getting right in Lai Su's face. :D"
:D And it's not a bad method either - he can't face people this way (Lai Su here, and Ji Xiaobai earlier) without sitting on a table. :D
"They're both just so happy to be there together, asfasdfasdfad :D :D :D"
Yesssssss awwwww;; ♡♡♡ *MELTS*
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I hope so too! I love it so much. It was the point I went from "I'm loving this" to "Me/Guardian = OTP!!" :D I actually recapped it before I knew anything much (I was trying to get a friend into it). I'd only seen up to ep 10 at that point, and I certainly didn't know anyone's names. *g*
Definitely 'nothing to see here', and also possibly 'I totally didn't bring any other people with me'. xD
Hee! <3 <3 <3
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My notes on the second half of ep 7.
Lin Jing sees the Crow and immediately mentions ZH/Yashou. Is that just intuition? Or is it obvious the Crow is Yashou?
ZYL is so mean to LJ! Not just criticising him and threatening his bonuses, but literally kicking him in the butt, too. Never a kind word. I wonder if he's subconsciously picked up on LJ's divided loyalties, or if he's modelling ZXC behaviour... /o\ (Why doesn't it bother me more? Maybe because LJ seems relatively immune?)
Apart from CSZ, their investigating seems so hapless. LJ's device doesn't work (because Lai Su is unexpectedly Dixingren?), and CC only finds the switch by accident. DQ and CSZ are definitively MVPs.
Investigating the house reminds me of my CSZ & ZYL picspam. <3 <3 <3 :-)
I really want Lao Su's writing room, please!! Can I just glom it onto the side of my house (to be accessed via a secret bookshelf door)? (I really need an additional room, and it would be perfect!)
Lai Su: *hides under a blanket from stans*
Also Lai Su: *doesn't lock his front door???*
I wonder if/how Zhu Jiu pays for his phone plan/internet access. Does he have a bank account?
It always bothers me how judgy the whole SID is about writers. I mean, should Lai Su have contacted the police? Yes, definitely. But he didn't actually know anything about the RL murders, and the SID don't know he has anything to do with them at this stage (they seem like copy cat things). And this is his job they're talking about. He's allowed to write stuff and earn a living! (Oh, now I wonder how much it's displaced guilt, at least on Lin Jing's part: he's been really into these stories, eager for more, but they're somehow connected to real-life harm.)
Haha, Changcheng solves the case by bringing up multiple-personality. And ah, that's the second time ZYL has praised him in the space of a few scenes (the other time, for finding the lever that opens the secret door)!!
The monster looks like a Youchu with Lai Su's head.
My notes here just say "CALL AN AMBULANCE!!"
I like the end to the novel. It would only work if the main arc was a character arc, but if it was, yes, by all means scare yourself to death, murderer!
Aww, Lao-Li whittling
bones. And I always notice the cut from Changcheng's swinging desk ornament to ZYL swinging the writing brush. Lovely editing!*A BILLION BILLION HEARTS* ZYL goes to SW's office to debrief re the case. ZYL's voice is so soft!! a;dlkfjas;dlfkjas;dflksdf <3 <3 <3
The way they smile at each other!!!!! Shen Wei is so moved!!! ZYL just has to joke to break the tension.
I was going to link to an old Youtube supercut of people saying, "Winter is coming", but I can only find GoT ones. ;-p
The Lai Su case feels like it would have fit well into the Merit Brush arc. I wonder if it was originally intended to.
And further to Trobadora and my thread on the previous rewatch post, now I'm wondering if ZYL's attitude/sympathy shift is because he sees himself in Lin Jing's hero worship. Could that be what allows him to sympathise with both of them (and to value all the ways his relationship with Shen Wei is MUCH MUCH BETTER)? Hmm.
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Ohh, this made me compare Lai Su and his monster to Weiwei and the Mirror Girl. Maybe this is another instance of reflections (sort of), only this time the reflection is a literal monster -- so it's setting up for Ye Zun being the Big Bad sort-of-reflection of SW? And Lin Jing standing in for fans turning on his hero are like Dixingren turning on the Envoy? Also, the unconscious use of powers feels like a precursor to the Miracle Doctor and the Merit Brush arc generally.
ETA: The more I think about this, the more I think that it can't be an accident that in an episode that starts out with SW and ZYL acknowledging and accepting each other's stalking behaviours, the Lai Su case involves him thinking the SID are megafans who've broken into his house. (And he still doesn't call the police or anything.)
Why is Zhu Jiu only now discovering the SID's shield?
I don't know how SID-focused he's been up till now? He tried to blow them up in ep 4, but mostly his beef is with the Envoy (for personal and YZ-related reasons).
What's your favourite part of the final scene between Shen Wei and Zhao Yunlan?
How soft and warm and happy they are to be there together. The smiiiiiiles. *smishes*
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OHHHHH, this is excellent! The mirror images, yes, of course! That makes so much sense. :D :D :D
The more I think about this, the more I think that it can't be an accident that in an episode that starts out with SW and ZYL acknowledging and accepting each other's stalking behaviours, the Lai Su case involves him thinking the SID are megafans who've broken into his house. (And he still doesn't call the police or anything.)
Ooh, this is a fantastic great catch, too! So many brilliant new insights, I never thought of that connection before AT ALL and yet now that you say it it seems blatantly obvious?
I don't know how SID-focused he's been up till now? He tried to blow them up in ep 4, but mostly his beef is with the Envoy (for personal and YZ-related reasons).
True. I thought he'd try to get the Sundial from them, but he might not even initially know it's still at the SID and hasn't been taken away by the Envoy.
How soft and warm and happy they are to be there together. The smiiiiiiles. *smishes*
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS ♥ ♥ ♥
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I still don't quite see how it adds anything, though. The presumption of stalking doesn't last very long or really affect the case and how they think about it...
The mirror images seem more salient.
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Why does Zhao Yunlan approach the house alone at first?
Because Lai Su might open the door to a single person, but not to a crowd? Why so many SID people have to be there, I'm not sure, though. Lin Jing and Chu Shuzhi are the most essential ones, though - Lin Jing because he knows more about the guy's writing than anyone else (and the case is connected to the stories), and Chu Shuzhi because strings. I guess Xiao-Guo is along because he's essentially Lao-Chu's apprentice, and of course ZYL himself wants to be there. Da Qing is the one who really isn't needed.
Lin Jing sees the Crow and immediately mentions ZH/Yashou. Is that just intuition? Or is it obvious the Crow is Yashou?
I think it can't be that obvious? I don't think he actually makes the connection between the Crow and Yashou, it's just put together like that for the viewer (on rewatch), to draw more attention to the crow being a Crow.
ZYL is so mean to LJ!
Yeah! And tbh it does bother me sometimes, I wish he didn't do that.
Apart from CSZ, their investigating seems so hapless.
Haha, right?
LJ's device doesn't work (because Lai Su is unexpectedly Dixingren?)
Ooh, that would make sense, very cool theory!
I really want Lao Su's writing room, please!! Can I just glom it onto the side of my house (to be accessed via a secret bookshelf door)?
I would like a secret room behind my shelves too! Can we TARDIS one in there? *g*
Lai Su: *hides under a blanket from stans*
Also Lai Su: *doesn't lock his front door???*
LOLOLOLOLOL!
It always bothers me how judgy the whole SID is about writers.
Is it the whole SID? It's mostly just Lin Jing, who's disappointed by someone he idolised, and ZYL seems to think he's going pretty OTT.
Oh, now I wonder how much it's displaced guilt, at least on Lin Jing's part: he's been really into these stories, eager for more, but they're somehow connected to real-life harm.
For Lin Jing I can definitely see that!
The monster looks like a Youchu with Lai Su's head.
Not to my eyes - those crystal-like ice-spikes on its arm and shoulder are not at all youchu! And it has more human proportion, not that strange youchu hunchback/shoulder bump.
My notes here just say "CALL AN AMBULANCE!!"
Haha, you're not wrong!
I like the end to the novel. It would only work if the main arc was a character arc, but if it was, yes, by all means scare yourself to death, murderer!
Yeah, it's not a bad kind of ending for the rightt story!
*A BILLION BILLION HEARTS* ZYL goes to SW's office to debrief re the case. ZYL's voice is so soft!! a;dlkfjas;dlfkjas;dflksdf <3 <3 <3
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS it's so lovely!
The Lai Su case feels like it would have fit well into the Merit Brush arc. I wonder if it was originally intended to.now I'm wondering if ZYL's attitude/sympathy shift is because he sees himself in Lin Jing's hero worship. Could that be what allows him to sympathise with both of them (and to value all the ways his relationship with Shen Wei is MUCH MUCH BETTER)?
I don't think I'm catching your meaning - sees himself in it how?
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I guess so. (ZYL doesn't knock. Is that a doorbell he pushes? So many buttons.)
Da Qing is the one who really isn't needed.
But is useful! In fact, it's interesting that DQ smells human, specifically, when ZYL later guesses he's Dixingren...
I don't think he actually makes the connection between the Crow and Yashou, it's just put together like that for the viewer (on rewatch), to draw more attention to the crow being a Crow.
I think he might have subconsciously guessed something, even without having all the pieces.
Is it the whole SID? It's mostly just Lin Jing, who's disappointed by someone he idolised, and ZYL seems to think he's going pretty OTT.
I did a poll about it once. (It's actually just Lin Jing, Guo Changcheng, and Zhao Yunlan.)
I don't think I'm catching your meaning - sees himself in it how?
His admiration/heart-eyes/obsession for and with Shen Wei? Idk.
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It looks like a door bell with a camera and a speaker to me, not really multiple buttons? (Do people knock on house doors where you are? I've only seen that on TV/in movies; no one would hear you if you did that here! Knocking is for inside doors.)
But is useful! In fact, it's interesting that DQ smells human, specifically, when ZYL later guesses he's Dixingren...
Good points both! They couldn't have predicted that, though. I guess the human smell means Lai Su is only part Dixingren?
I did a poll about it once. (It's actually just Lin Jing, Guo Changcheng, and Zhao Yunlan.)
Oh, thanks for the link! I was looking at the scene and wasn't seeing it, but it's not all in the same scene! And not Da Qing or Chu Shuzhi, either. So that makes more sense. *g*
His admiration/heart-eyes/obsession for and with Shen Wei? Idk.
Hmmm. I need to ponder that some more ...
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