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Guardian Readalong: Vol. 3, Chapters 5 & 6

Guardian novel readalong.


Hi, and welcome to this week's installment of the Guardian novel readalong - in this post, we're talking about chapters 5 & 6 of volume 3.

Here are last week's chapters, and you can find all previous discussions in the schedule posts (part 1, part 2, part 3, part 4), or via the !readalong tag.

This week's chapters:

Chapter 5: Zhao Yunlan, Zhu Hong, and Daqing discuss the Record of Ancient Secrets, a book found in the SID library. They go to the Netherworld to investigate its provenance, keeping Leaves of Illusion in their mouths to keep from being recognised as living beings. At a bookshop where they're making enquiries, the little-girl proprietor says Zhao Yunlan bought the book.
Chapter 6: The proprietor says the Zhao Yunlan who bought the book 11 years ago looked the same. She warns him to be careful. A double-faced ghost finds them and shouts that they're alive. They get mobbed by ghouls. They fight back, but they're vastly outnumbered. Zhao Yunlan protects Shen Wei's coat. In desperation, Zhao Yunlan sets the city on fire, and they run for the gates only to find them shut. Zhao Yunlan feels something awaken inside him. The Emissary arrives and saves them. Zhao Yunlan hugs him and tells him to come home.

The corresponding chapters in the Chinese version on JJWXC and the fan translation are chapters 83-84.

Excerpts:

1) Zhao Yunlan questions the name of his order

Zhao Yunlan suddenly tapped the black cat perched on his shoulder. Keeping his voice low, he asked, “What exactly does the ‘Soul-Guarding’ in ‘Soul-Guarding Order’ mean…?”

“Guard the souls of the living, bring peace to the hearts of the dead, atone for crimes done in life, and complete the unfinished cycle.” Daqing’s glance was heavy with judgment. “It’s written right on the back of the Soul-Guarding Order, isn’t it? Are you blind?”

For once, Zhao Yunlan didn’t offer a snappy comeback. Instead, he mumbled, “But why is the order Kunlun-jun left behind called ‘Soul-Guarding’?”

Why not “Mountain-Guarding,” “Sea-Guarding,” or “Monsters- and Demons-Guarding”?



2) The Netherworld is dangerous for living beings

When they reached Ghost City, Zhao Yunlan took out a few Leaves of Illusion. The three of them each tucked one into their mouth—a leaf in the mouth would keep them from smelling like living beings and thus keep the city’s little ghouls from realizing that they were alive. In addition to ghostly immortals and souls waiting for reincarnation, some of Ghost City’s residents were unable to move on and be reincarnated, either because they were still clinging to something or because they had sinned and were there serving their time. Once in Ghost City, they would remain for hundreds or thousands of years. Their obsession with life was beyond the comprehension of a living person.

Once, when Zhao Yunlan had been inexperienced and arrogant, he’d come to the city in pursuit of a living soul who had entered it accidentally. Ultimately, he’d been unable to retrieve it. Instead, he’d witnessed how the little ghosts in the city had swarmed and mobbed the soul, sucking it dry. The reapers had needed to call in reinforcements to quell the violent unrest.

Zhao Yunlan had still been young at the time. After returning to the Mortal Realm, he’d had nightmares for a whole month and came close to being permanently traumatized.



3) Zhao Yunlan is a repeat customer at the Netherworld bookshop

An enigmatic smile crossed the child’s stiff face. A seven- or eight-year-old girl with the expression of a powerful old woman from a wuxia novel might’ve been funny in any other context, but here in Ghost City of the Netherworld, the effect was a bit creepy. “I keep clear, accurate accounts here, of course,” she said. “Every buyer’s full name and identity are checked against The Book of Life and Death. Does the Guardian have any doubts?”

Zhao Yunlan gave it some thought but realized he wasn’t going to learn anything else from her. He put the book away. “Do you remember what the ‘me’ who came and bought that book eleven years ago looked like?”

A corner of her deep-red lips curved up. In a meaningful tone, she said, “A moment ago I couldn’t remember, but now that the Guardian mentions it, it’s coming back to me. Looking at you again, I’ve only just realized that you’re a past visitor who’s returned. If the Guardian hadn’t mentioned it, I wouldn’t have realized that it’s been eleven years since then.”



4) They're accosted by a two-faced ghost

The ghost studied Zhao Yunlan, head swinging, and broke out into a fit of giggles as it rocked back and forth.

Zhao Yunlan didn’t want to cause any trouble while they were here. Keeping his gun trained on the ghost, he signaled Zhu Hong to walk the other way. Keeping their distance from it seemed like the best plan.

When the double-faced ghost saw that they were trying to leave, a hissing noise came from its throat. “Humans and ghosts belong on separate paths,” it said. “Humans and ghosts belong on separate paths!”

The words landed like a blow to the heart. Zhao Yunlan instantly thought of Shen Wei. Expression darkening, he snapped his head around and stared at the giggling ghost. With ice dripping from his voice, he said, “I’ve been exercising restraint here because I don’t want to burn bridges with the Netherworld, but you guys keep taking a mile when given an inch.”



5) Zhao Yunlan hugs the Emissary

The expressionless mask Zhao Yunlan had been maintaining, calm to the point of creepiness, finally gave way. Utterly exhausted, he let go of Daqing, letting the fat cat drop to the ground. Then, with no concern for their surroundings, he wrapped his arms around the black-cloaked figure, who was feared and revered by all, and pulled him into a hug. In a hoarse rasp, he said, “Just come home.”

Poor Zhu Hong, having only just returned to human form, wasn’t quite steady on her feet yet. The shock of what she was seeing knocked her on her ass.



Questions:

What's your favourite worldbuilding detail about the Netherworld? Should Zhao Yunlan have left Zhu Hong back at the SID? Is Zhao Yunlan only polite to the bookshop proprietor because he wants something, or is he nicer to spirits when they're in their proper place? What is the deal with the travel diary that describes the Huangquan Road?! Do you think Zhao Yunlan carries Leaves of Illusion with him at all times, or did he stock up for the trip? How sad are you that we didn't get a Dixing bookshop in the drama? Any other thoughts about these chapters (and how they were adapted)?

(As usual, these are all just conversation starters - feel free to answer all, some, or none, and to say as much or as little as you like! You don't have to be keeping up with the readalong!)

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[personal profile] autodach 2025-05-25 06:01 pm (UTC)(link)
Argh, time really flies! I still haven’t read/responded to the comments on our last post!


the little-girl proprietor says Zhao Yunlan bought the book

Love the moment where it dawns on the reader that there’s
possibly a spoiler? time travel
in this novel on top of everything else. The book shop is a great location in general – just the right amount of eerie.
And then the drama incorporated
same spoiler time travel
into its plot also, but in a totally different way!

In a hoarse rasp, he said, “Just come home.”

Awww❤

Do you think Zhao Yunlan carries Leaves of Illusion with him at all times, or did he stock up for the trip?

I think he just has that on him, along with talismans and all sorts of other stuff.


Iirc we have one of my favourite Shen Wei moments coming up in the next chapter :D
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[personal profile] trobadora 2025-05-25 07:55 pm (UTC)(link)
This tree was a transportation hub linking the realms together; for example, anyone going from the Mortal Realm to the Yao Market, or from the Mortal Realm to the Netherworld, had to pass through there.

This is the same tree that's translated as "locust tree" for the drama! It's 大槐树 in both cases. Googling around has only confused me further about tree terminology, though. All indications say 槐is styphnolobium japonicum, which should be the pagoda tree, and locust trees are something else - except one famous 大槐树is definitely translated as locust tree so idk. (And to further the confusion, the fan translation has "eucalyptus tree" ...)

"So you're saying this book came from the Netherworld?"

How does that go with it coming from a modern printer? Do they have modern printers in the Netherworld??

As night fell, Zhao Yunlan finally gave in and called Shen Wei, but what answered was a cold, robotic female voice: "The number you have dialed is not in service..."

Did Shen Wei cancel his phone plan?! No, the Chinese just says it's out of coverage area. *g*

"What exactly does the 'Soul-Guarding' in 'Soul-Guarding Order' mean...?"

Ha! A question I've been asking myself for a long time, especially since 镇 means such varied things as "guard, calm, suppress, repress". Looking forward to (maybe??) actually finding out the answer. :p

The Huangquan Road ran down the center of the Huangquan River.

I ... do not know how to imagine that. Anyone?

The glow of those lamps cleansed a soul of everything that connected them to the Mortal Realm. By the time a soul reached the Naihe Bridge and had had everything from this life and the ones before washed away with a bowl of Mengpo Soup made from the waters of the Wangchuan River, they were ready for the next life.

Fascinating!

Shen Wei's harsh treatment of himself bordered on abuse. He seemed absolutely unwilling to take his own nature into account. Thousands of years, tens of thousands of years enduring such endless yearning... How could he have done that to himself?

Perfect vibes, but I have to admit I'm not really certain what exactly is meant by "that". /o\

Ghost City is extremely eerie and fascinating, and the little girl shopkeeper is very cool. I really like this whole section, and the way Zhao Yunlan navigates it all!

The buyer's name was clearly recorded: Renwu year, fifteenth day of the seventh month, Guardian, Zhao Yunlan.

What a perfect place to end the chapter at! :D

(壬午 rénwǔ is from the Chinese sexagenary cycle, btw.)

"I was struggling to stay on top of my secret duties as Guardian and going to class at the same time."

Ha! And we were just talking about that - alas, this is no help in clarifying what exactly those secret duties are! *g*

That was the year that he found the long-abandoned Special Investigations Department from some connections and got me installed there.

This is also confusing, because in vol. 2 ch. 18, Papa Zhao said, Remember how I let you indulge your wild fantasies and apply to create some Special Investigations Department? I even pulled some strings for you. So was it created then, or revived?

I do like that ZYL promises to fill Daqing in on Shennong's bowl, since he hasn't yet.

A moment ago I couldn't remember, but now that the Guardian mentions it, it's coming back to me. Looking at you again, I've only just realized that you're a past visitor who's returned.

Huh. Memory shenanigans? Only remembering on it being mentioned reminds me of drama!SW hypnotising Zhu Hong in the Hanga mountains, whereupon she forgets about SW until ZYL mentions him.

Also, I did not remember any of this "suddenly, time travel!" thing at all, not even in the vaguest of terms.

"I'm trying to teach you. I've never had many girls working for me; you're few and far between. I never wanted to force any of you to do legwork or interact with weirdos. But now I don't think that was the right move," Zhao Yunlan said quietly.

Ugh, I don't like ZYL being sexist like that AT ALL. At least he's sort of realising it now! (And for an excuse to infodump, I've definitely seen worse. :p)

Zhao Yunlan had already drawn his gun, finger on the trigger.

Somehow shooting ghosts with a gun is so inherently funny to me!

"Humans and ghosts belong on separate paths!"
The words landed like a blow to the heart. Zhao Yunlan instantly thought of Shen Wei.


♥ ♥ ♥

"Do you want humanity or inhumanity? You must choose. Do you want to walk the Mortal Realm or tread the paths of ghosts? You must choose. Do you want the world above or the abyss beneath? You must choose."

So ominous!

He quickly drew his arm back, and despite the danger, took two seconds to strip off his coat and hug it to his chest.

AWWWW! (Priorities, Zhao Yunlan!!!)

And then, out of nowhere, the Soul-Guarding Whip appeared, and with a crack, tore fiercely through the lifeless sky above Ghost City.

So he's summoning it from elsewhere, yes? Am I interpreting this correctly?

Then, with no concern for their surroundings, he wrapped his arms around the black-cloaked figure, who was feared and revered by all, and pulled him into a hug. In a hoarse rasp, he said, "Just come home."

♥ ♥ ♥

How sad are you that we didn't get a Dixing bookshop in the drama?

VERY!!!!!

Version comparison: Lots of smaller differences this time. Here's some:
  • Talking about how Record of Ancient Secrets made it into the SID library, after ZYL says it can't have been from the previous Guardian's tenure because it's too new, the fan translation has this:
    "Then we have a conclusion: it was sent along with the cat food."

    What Da Qing was saying was that, someone had, somehow, slipped it between bags of cat food and brought it in.

  • The JJWXC version/fan translation lists not just black-covered books but also their counterpart:

    "This is a 'black leather book'," Da Qing butted in. "Black leather books' were referring to the workers on the night shift, who had gotten books not from the human realm through some way. Books not from the human world were opposite from the ones who had only been in contact with the human world; known as the 'white leather books'.

  • The crone selling longevity cakes isn't in the fan translation, and neither are the bits about snakes lacking yang energy, and Zhu Hong telling ZYL not to be racist.

  • Zhao Yunlan's explanation for why he's suddenly telling Zhu Hong all this stuff is different:

    "Though I do have a lot of people on my side to do these things, I never thought you'd leave." Zhao Yunlan smiled. "If I did... remember, even if you do cultivate to the point you become Nüwa herself, remember this person here still needs your help. I can't negotiate with eight thousand year olds."

  • A bit that's not in the official translation:

    Zhao Yunlan was expressionless. "What else can we do? Just push through."

    As he spoke, he fished out his phone and took pictures of the hungry ghosts, before brandishing the Guardian Whip. "Bring this back as a trophy."

    Da Qing shrieked, "Have you lost your mind? Taking photos at this time? Do you want a group photograph with them, to show that you've been here before, you jerk!"

    "What are you shouting about?" Zhao Yunlan pushed down Da Qing's screaming head irritably. "This isn't even much, my wife already ran off and I still haven't carried on."

    Da Qing: "... ..."

    He didn't know what happened, but Zhao Yunlan was most probably shocked badly by Shen Wei.

    In that moment, Da Qing gazed at Zhao Yunlan's seemingly calm face, and suspected Zhao Yunlan treated this whole thing as a destressing activity. Based on Da Qing's knowledge of him, the bastard really could do something like this!

  • What Zhao Yunlan tells Shen Wei at the end:

    JJWXC: 跟我回去。
    Fan translation: Come back with me.
    Official translation: Just come home.

    It's just about possible that this is only a difference in translation, but I very much hope the Chinese version the official translator was working from actually said 回家 (go home), not just 回去 (return, go back)!
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[personal profile] trobadora 2025-05-25 08:19 pm (UTC)(link)
I really enjoyed these chapters. So much cool worldbuilding and cinematic action. A lot of the Netherworld details felt very horror!Miyazaki to me, which was great. And then the ending, aww! <3

Yeah, there's a lot of great stuff here!

I feel like he's just helping her save face here, right?

That's how I took it.

(I got a little confused, because I thought they were going to that store to make enquiries, but they immediately head to the Netherworld. Did they stop in at the store to ask, and the novel just elides that? Or was that never the plan to start with?)

They've already determined the book comes from the Netherworld, so why would they stop at the upstairs shop?

And then I hit "Some time back, Zhao Yunlan had read a travel diary", and my head exploded. LOL! Whose travel diary? Why are they writing about the Netherworld? Is it in disguise as SF/F? What is happening?

One of those black-covered books, I assumed.

But at the same time, if he didn't have them, he couldn't go here, and he clearly needs to for work and has before, so. Okay.

Yeah, they seem to be just tools of the trade, you know? He's been down there before; he's expected to have to go there again; of course he has what he'll need for the task.

“The book most likely came from this store,” the black cat said, looking back at them. “This family reincarnates once every sixty years, the yin alternating with the yang. The person in the yang realm guards the entrance to the Huangquan by the pagoda tree while the person in the yin realm minds the general store in Ghost City.”

That is such a cool system! But does it mean they don't lose their memories when they reincarnate?

Oh, that's a very good question!

WAIT. WHAT? bb!ZYL was the slayer doing Guardian stuff as a teen??

Yes? I thought we already knew this - he found out he was the Guardian when he was a kid, and did Guardian stuff from then on. It's just that ~Guardian stuff~ has been (and still is) so vague, we don't know what exactly he's been doing ...

(Also, I'm pretty confused now about the SID. Did ZYL's dad found it or revive it for ZYL's benefit?

Yeah, glad you picked up on that contradiction too!

(It took me a little while to realise it had been sent by the Magistrate -- it's all part of the trap, and that's why the gate is shut! Which, wait, ZYL set for himself by leaving the book where he knew he'd find it?? That can't be right, can it? *waits for this to untangle itself*)

I'm none too sure about any part of this, and am definitely hoping for some disentanglement soon!

False dichotomies! Refuse to choose, ZYL!!

Yes! This!

Are they edible? I wonder what they're made of.

Yin energy? They're ghosts, idk what else they'd be made of.

What is a snake's "vulnerable spot"?

Ha, I didn't even think to question that, but that's a VERY good question, I have no idea!

Growing wings seems pretty random, but I'm loving the concept anyway. :D

It says "wingless bird people", so they don't grow wings! They just fly into the sky. *g*

LOL, it's a cartoon! :D

Haha, OMG, now I can't unsee it ...

When Zhu Hong catches the whip in her mouth, do you think that's deliberate or an injury? I'm assuming the former.

I think deliberate, yeah.

(Also, is this drama!SW's power surge at the wedding?)

Oh, interesting, I wouldn't have thought of that, but it makes sense!
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[personal profile] trobadora 2025-05-25 08:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Time does fly! But the posts aren't going anywhere. ♥

I had zero recollection of any time travel, so fascinating!
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[personal profile] trepkos 2025-05-25 09:06 pm (UTC)(link)
"All the ghouls who had gorged themselves on the fire transformed into wingless bird people. Stomachs distended, they flew into the sky, where they exploded.

Growing wings seems pretty random, but I'm loving the concept anyway. :D"

They didn't grow wings - that's the weirdest part, that they flew without wings. Did they flap their distended stomachs? EW!
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[personal profile] trepkos 2025-05-25 09:08 pm (UTC)(link)
The Huangquan Road ran down the center of the Huangquan River.

I ... do not know how to imagine that. Anyone?

Either the waters part in the middle, or there is a ridge along the centre of it ... I imagined the latter.
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[personal profile] trepkos 2025-05-25 09:12 pm (UTC)(link)
I loved that they mentioned having to clean off the cat saliva! I think he was wise to let Zhu Hong come along - he'd have been in trouble sooner without her help.

“Humans and ghosts belong on separate paths!”

The words landed like a blow to the heart.

NOOO!!! Don't believe it!
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[personal profile] trobadora 2025-05-25 09:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you! That makes sense!
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[personal profile] trobadora 2025-05-25 09:34 pm (UTC)(link)
NOOO!!! Don't believe it!

So say we all!
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[personal profile] trobadora 2025-05-26 12:00 am (UTC)(link)
Okay, but someone still had travel to the Netherworld to write it, right? Is there, like, tourism?

I figured it was written by someone in Ghost City (i.e. a ghost).

No idea about all the other questions, alas!
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[personal profile] trobadora 2025-05-26 12:46 am (UTC)(link)
I took that to be about travelling down the Yellow Spring Road, but idk.
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[personal profile] trepkos 2025-05-26 09:40 am (UTC)(link)
Maybe like a flightless bird - kiwi, where you can't really notice any wings?
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[personal profile] trobadora 2025-05-26 12:16 pm (UTC)(link)
(Or maybe they send the manuscript up to Antiques St to be printed, and then the person there sends copies back to stock the Netherworld store.)

Ha! Now I want to know all the details about this Netherworld book economy. :D

The "not in service" message is really common in Kdramas, so I didn't even question it.

river bank, river, road, river, river bank? maybe the road kind of floats on the river?

Oooh, I love the idea of a road that floats on the river! WANT!

Aaaand now I'm wondering if this little girl shopkeeper is the reason Zheng Yi looks so young despite her age.

Huh, that's a fascinating thought! I always figured there was something censorship-related going on so they had to make her nominally older, but that would be very cool!

But if ZYL was there before, he might have hypnotised her into forgetting?

Yeah, it definitely sounded to me like her memory had been tampered with!

Especially since Zhu Hong has been doing fieldwork all along! She was at the hospital when they caught the Wang Xiangyang revenge spirit (and she transformed then, too, iirc). When did she ever give him the impression she needed protecting?! ;-p

RIGHT??? At least drama!ZH isn't a field agent in the same way at the start.

LOL! I can totally see why priest cut that (because it undercuts the tension), but I love it anyway. :D ZYL feeling shitty and tense: go get into a fight with a whole city full of ghosts!

Right? My thoughts exactly! :D
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[personal profile] trobadora 2025-05-26 12:17 pm (UTC)(link)
Very true! That definitely sounds plausible too.
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[personal profile] trepkos 2025-05-26 02:53 pm (UTC)(link)
I think they flap their bloated abdomens - a bit like those lizards that expand their ribs to use to glide.

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