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Guardian Readalong: Vol. 2, Chapters 13 & 14
Welcome to this week's installment of the Guardian novel readalong! Here are last week's chapters, and you can find all previous discussions on the schedule post (vol. 1 part 1, vol. 1 part 2, vol. 2), or via the !readalong tag.
This week's chapters:
Chapter 13: Zhao Yunlan calls Shen Wei "Xiao-Wei" to defuse his fury at the Crows, and they leave the Yao Market. Daqing asks the Crows about his bell. The SID celebrates Lunar New Year's Eve with a party. Zhao Yunlan asks about Shen Wei's name. Chu Shuzhi leaves the SID library in a mood; Daqing tells Guo Changcheng to accompany him home. Zhao Yunlan arranges for Shen Wei to be called in to work so he can present Shen Wei with fait accompli cohabitation, but then he finds the portrait room and sends the movers away. Zhao Yunlan, Shen Wei and Daqing go to see Zhao Yunlan's parents, and Zhao Yunlan comes out to his mother.
Chapter 14: Changcheng follows Chu Shuzhi home; Chu Shuzhi tries to scare him off with cannibalism talk. Changcheng perseveres. Chu Shuzhi advises Changcheng to stop wasting time collecting so many merits; then he disappears. Zhao Yunlan tells Shen Wei he came out. Daqing tells Zhao Yunlan and Shen Wei that Lao-Chu's merit shackles were due to be removed but the Netherworld reneged. Shen Wei's knowledge and questions make Daqing suspicious about his identity. Zhao Yunlan sends a message telling Chu Shuzhi to come to the SID.
Phew! That's a lot!
The corresponding chapters in the Chinese version on JJWXC and the fan translation are:
Vol. 2 Ch. 13: ch. 64-66
Vol. 2 Ch. 14: ch. 67 and about the first fifth or so of ch. 68
Excerpts:
1. The SID Lunar New Year's Eve party
Toward the latter half of the night, after the New Year’s bell had already rung, drunk humans and ghosts alike started to run wild. Guo Changcheng flopped down on the table, sobbing loudly for some reason. After he finished crying, he tucked himself into a little corner and ignored everyone, meticulously polishing his work ID over and over with a microfiber cloth. Finally, he rolled under the table and fell into a deep sleep.
Chu Shuzhi, Lin Jing, Zhu Hong, and Daqing were gathered at a mahjong table. Other people’s chips automatically became dried fish when they arrived in front of Daqing. The cat’s expression was deadly serious. He had no choice but to keep winning, having eaten almost all his chips.
Lao-Li pulled a giant femur from out of nowhere and started pole dancing in front of everyone. Sangzan grabbed Wang Zheng’s hand, pulling her unexpectedly into his arms. He held her waist and lifted her up high; she laughed, humming a little tune from a faraway time, and danced a Hanga tribe dance with him.
2) Zhao Yunlan asks about Shen Wei's name
Zhao Yunlan silently put Shen Wei’s hand on his chest. Perhaps because of the alcohol, Zhao Yunlan’s pulse was a little fast. After a while, when Shen Wei thought he was about to fall asleep, Zhao Yunlan quietly asked, “‘Wei’… How did you come by that name?”
“It was originally the character Wei that’s made up of ‘mountain’ and ‘ghost.’” Shen Wei’s gaze dropped, seeming to gaze right through the gleaming floor; there was no knowing how far into the past he was looking. “But someone once said to me that while ‘mountain ghost’ was fitting, it was perhaps naming me into a corner. He told me that in this world, the mountains and seas are all connected, and lofty peaks stretch out endlessly. He suggested, ‘Why don’t we add a few more strokes and make it a proper name?’”
Zhao Yunlan touched his nose. This mysterious “someone” had a way of speaking that sounded rather familiar. “Who has the audacity to just randomly rename someone?”
Shen Wei smiled. “Just someone I met by chance on the road.”
3) Zhao Yunlan sees the portrait of Kunlun-jun
Eventually, the beam of light made its way to an ancient ink painting on the southern wall. It was huge, nearly occupying the entire wall on its own. The paper was as thin as a cicada’s wing, the surface as smooth as snow…and like all the others, it was a painting of a person.
The person was drawn with delicate brows and an almost lifelike expression. His long hair reached the ground, and he wore the simplest green robe imaginable. His head was tilted slightly, lips curved in the faintest hint of a smile. The brushwork was so vivid that it seemed the man might step out of the painting at any moment…and it was clearly none other than Zhao Yunlan himself!
Along the edge of the painting was a small line of text. It wasn’t modern simplified or traditional Chinese. In fact, it wasn’t any sort of writing he was familiar with. Zhao Yunlan had never laid eyes on it before. And yet, somehow, one quick look told him exactly what it said:
Laying eyes on Kunlun-jun for the first time, in the shades of the grove. A single fleeting glance and the melody of my heart faltered.
By Wei.
Was…was he, Zhao Yunlan, the Mountain God of the Great Wild…?
4) Zhao Yunlan comes out to his mother
She still seemed dumbfounded. Finally, stumbling over her words, she said, “Is he… The man you brought with you, is he…”
Zhao Yunlan nodded. He had both hands on the door, as though blocking it with his body. “I, your son, spent over half a year doing everything I could—cajoling and lying, consulting all thirty-six stratagems and seventy-two transformations… I used every trick I know. It would’ve been easier to start an uprising. And now he’s finally, finally mine. If you feel like you need to kill or maim someone, come at me, but please don’t go out there and ruin all my hard work. It’ll break my heart.”
To an onlooker, it would’ve appeared as though her soul had left her body. Her eyes far away, Zhao Yunlan’s mother began robotically wrapping dumplings without another word.
“Mom?”
His voice didn’t reach her. For a minute or two she was simply in a daze, completely unaware of what she was doing or what she had just heard. She was on autopilot.
Suddenly, after Zhao Yunlan’s repeated attempts to talk to her, she snapped out of it. Words began tumbling from her mouth before she could think. “What about your job? Will people gossip about you? What about your future? That’s right, I… I think your dad said you bought a house a few days ago. Do you still have money?”
Zhao Yunlan blinked, not at all sure how she’d jumped from him coming out to him not having money. If there was any logic there, he couldn’t see it. It seemed like she’d latched on to a few key terms and strung them into random sentences, and they all rushed out at once.
5) Chu Shuzhi gives Guo Changcheng some advice
A thick layer of glowing merits emanated from Guo Changcheng, who was about to cough his trachea into a bow. The impossibly white light seared Chu Shuzhi’s eyes.
The hand that had gripped Guo Changcheng’s neck suddenly lifted and came to rest on that messy bird’s nest atop his head. Guo Changcheng shivered instinctively. Chu Shuzhi patted the top of the man’s head, voice calmer and a bit tired now as he said, “You didn’t study properly as a kid, did you? Have you read The Injustice to Dou E? It clearly states that ‘those who act in kindness often suffer through poverty and live short lives, while those who do evil enjoy riches and long lives.’ Do you remember that?”
Guo Changcheng really wasn’t wired for studying. At the end of every year, he’d return everything he’d learned that year right back to the teacher, every last bit. So now he just squatted on the ground, looking up at Chu Shuzhi with a blank expression.
Chu Shuzhi tipped Guo Changcheng’s chin up and examined him for a while. “Your forehead is somewhat flat and narrow, which means the fate linking you and your parents is shallow. Your ears are thin, which means your youth was full of troubles. The middle third of your nose bridge protrudes a bit, which means you will lose the protection of your elders after you leave middle age, and the latter half of your life will be unpredictable.
“Overall, your face says you’ll have a hard life and ultimately won’t amount to much. There’s no point in collecting so many merits. Donating money and doing good will only make you even poorer. Try to be smarter from now on. Live in comfort like the nepo baby you are. Enjoy what you should and live a few good days while you can.”
Guo Changcheng kept looking up at him, confused.
“You really are a bit dense,” Chu Shuzhi said.
Questions:
On a scale of 1 to 10, how many feels do you have about the "Xiao-Wei" moment and how hard it mashes Shen Wei in the feels? Do you have a sense of why the Crows are breaking up with the rest of the Yao / helping Ghost Face? Thoughts on Daqing's being the one to send Guo Changcheng to accompany Chu Shuzhi, and generally taking up the mantle of leader in Zhao Yunlan's absence? Would you subscribe to the “Lord Meow Number One in the World” account? Zhao Yunlan's "Surprise! We're living together now!" plan: good idea / bad idea / it only works because it's them idea? On a scale of 1 to 10, how discomfiting is it for Zhao Yunlan to find Shen Wei's portrait room? On a scale of 1 to 10, how discomfiting is it for Shen Wei to meet Zhao Yunlan's mother? (Where is Zhao Yunlan's dad? Surely he should be there!) Zhao Yunlan's coming out speech: any notes? Does Chu Shuzhi really think Guo Changcheng's accumulating merits is a pointless waste of time, or is he just bitter because the Netherworld screwed him?
Poll #32943 SID Lunar New Year's Eve party
Open to: Registered Users, detailed results viewable to: All, participants: 6
What's your favourite detail from the SID Lunar New Year's Eve party?
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Guo Changcheng polishing his work ID with a microfiber cloth
3 (50.0%)
Chu Shuzhi, Lin Jing, Zhu Hong, and Daqing playing mahjong
0 (0.0%)
Daqing's mahjong chips turning into dried fish (and him eating them)
5 (83.3%)
Lao-Li pole-dancing around a giant femur
1 (16.7%)
Sang Zan and Wang Zheng doing their Hanga dance
1 (16.7%)
Shen Wei letting Zhao Yunlan use his thigh as a pillow
3 (50.0%)
other
0 (0.0%)
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Every syllable dripped with bloodlust, but his seething was broken off when Zhao Yunlan wrapped both arms around him. Instinctively, Shen Wei began to struggle fiercely, but then inspiration struck Zhao Yunlan.
“Xiao-Wei!” he exclaimed. Shen Wei went utterly still in his arms.
After a moment, Shen Wei turned and gave Zhao Yunlan a disbelieving look. Voice trembling, he said, “Wh-what did you call me…?”
Okay, I kind of love that Shen Wei was struggling fiercely against ZYL's hold. Even ZYL's presence isn't enough to contain all the seething fury -- he has to pull out the big guns! And aww, at least in the novel (sort of) there's some context for SW's reaction to "Xiao-Wei"... that works so well. (At this stage SW doesn't know how much ZYL has figured out, right? ZYL is the one keeping secrets now? Hm.)
So interesting to see the Crow tribe formally break ties with the other Yao. I wonder what their grievance is. I can't remember if we find out (or if we already know /o\).
Do SW & ZYL see DQ talking to the Crows? I assume not, but I feel like they're all in the same vicinity. (Poor DQ!)
Yay Lao-Li! How nice to see him, even if he's a lot creepier here. (They kept the bone-carving hobby in the drama, but it always reminds me of Lester Freamon making dollhouse furniture in The Wire.)
The whole party is really fun. It has a great festive/family vibe. Awwwwwwwww, Xiao-Guo! <3333 (And wow, it goes on until noon the next day! o.O I would have made my excuses at, like, 10pm and crawled off home to bed.)
I nearly quoted the conversation about where Shen Wei would otherwise be spending Lunar New Year. Not that Shen Wei had ever thought anything of it. He had lived thousands of years like that, each day exactly like the one before. -- ouch!
From the dawn of Chaos, when the spirits of all things came into being, to the present moment, the world had changed countless times and in countless ways. And yet Shen Wei still tenaciously honored the oath that had long since been forgotten by even the person he had sworn it to. His entire existence had been devoted to that single sentence.
That is some attention span!!! (I think this oath is probably what became, in episode 4, the Envoy thinking, "Once a promise is made, even mountains can't get in our way. I promised you that for the sake of the people, for the sake of Haixing's peace, even if I have to forever shoulder burdens whilst going the opposite way, I will bravely advance forward." *pets*)
I adore the conversation about Shen Wei's name -- both that ZYL recognises himself in the story (or at least, it sounds familiar), and his saying, “Who has the audacity to just randomly rename someone?” -- Gee, I wonder!!! LOL!!! <3 <3 <3
Aww, a little moment of DQ & Lao-Li. *hearts*
Daqing passes on the red envelope to Xiao-Guo -- which somehow turned into dinner with Guo Ying in the drama. <3
Re Daqing's socmed activity: personally, as an old, I appreciate the lack of social media in the drama. ;-p
Is Chu Shuzhi banned from the library because he'd be bound to abuse the sorcery books (ie, for safety reasons) or what? Is he just too disrespectful? (Has he tried using Changcheng as a book retrieval service yet?) And wow, 300 years! At least the drama cut that by 33%!
Aww, I love that Changcheng perks up as soon as CSZ arrives. <3
Shen Wei was multitasking, looking for the requested file with one hand while cushioning Zhao Yunlan’s head with the other to keep him from banging it on the coffee table.
Haha, that reminds me of the conversation about ZYL sprawling all over Shen Wei, post-canon. <333
Zhao Yunlan’s voice was nearly as sticky as his eyelids. -- so evocative!!
I have very mixed feelings about the "surprise! cohabitation" plan -- like, I'm a big fan of communication and consent, ot1h, and I hate surprises; otoh, this is So Them. And then it says, He had recently managed to force Shen Wei to reluctantly stay with him in this tiny apartment and how it's all about getting laid (presumably against Shen Wei's better judgement), and then I'm back to "ehhhhhhh, this makes me uncomfortable" again. ;-p
Zhao Yunlan’s eyesight was still recovering, so he didn’t see the little storage bin in the wardrobe, covered by a long trench coat. -- ooh, mystery! (Don't tell me! I've completely forgotten about this.) Love that the drama trench coat is from the novel, hee!
Aww, ZYL's innate connection with the Kunlun lock, and how it throws him off-balance. <333
The inscription on the Kunlun painting is so romantic (and the illustration in the official translation is gorgeous), and idk, I feel like the room is less creepy for an ancient immortal than it would be for a human? Like, when you've lived thousands of years, your perspective is inevitably going to be skewed anyway...?
No secrets could be kept when faced with the Soul-Executing Blade, which could discern right from wrong, kindness from evil.
Oh, wow! That's an incredibly powerful tool -- just as well it's in the hands of someone good, with immense self-control!
He was, after all, a gentleman. It could never have crossed his mind that someone might go to such lengths to lure him away just to move his belongings and steal a couple pairs of underwear. -- LOLOL!
Shen Wei blaming himself for ZYL's losing his eyesight made me go OMG NO! And then he goes home all panicky, and ZYL is grinning and smarmy, and Shen Wei starts fussing over him, and I'm like, this is not a dynamic that works for me, sorry. It's just mean to stress SW out like this and then act all smug and wring a hug out of the situation! (And I really don't like SW blaming himself for things beyond his control, especially when they were caused by ZYL ignoring his advice.)
The scenes at ZYL's parents' place
Ha, the description of ZYL's mother is followed up with "Fathers and sons do often have somewhat similar tastes in partners, after all." But the way she talks to ZYL reminds me of the SID team all being so rude to each other, rather than SW. The whacks from the rolling pin are a bit much, but wouldn't be out of place in a lot of kdramas, so again, I can't tell how much of a dragon she's supposed to be compared to the norm.I'm also not sure how much of ZYL's behaviour and nervousness is a side-effect of planning to come out and worrying how she'll react, which if it is, that seems pretty understandable to me -- I'd think even if he was bringing a woman home he was serious about, he'd be nervous about his family's reaction, and the fact the he's standing their expectations on their heads at the same time... (If he was really cowed, I'd think he wouldn't tell her at all?)
I like that all her first reactions are concern for him, rather than for her own status or what her friends will say, even if they're misguided fears. She's not thinking clearly, but she also her first instincts are protective rather than condemnatory.
He had imagined many possible ways she might take the news. -- so he's been thinking about this a lot. *pets him*
But Zhao Yunlan hadn’t expected this half-panicked, frightened reaction, perhaps because he himself had never been a parent. [...] Parents often feel moved as well as delighted when they see someone deeply in love with their child, but when it’s the other way around, they have mixed feelings. -- this feels like such an empathetic take from the novel/priest. <3 And in the end, after a bit of adjustment, ZYL's mother accepts the situation, effectively giving her blessing in the language of snark, if not in so many words. <3
My big question, as I mentioned above, is whyyyy would ZYL take SW along for this? If his mother hadn't come around straight away, that would have been so uncomfortable for SW, and not something he should have to deal with!! Though, otoh, maybe ZYL thinks the best argument for their relationship is SW himself, and that once his mum sees SW, any resistance will evaporate, lol.
(Does his mum know DQ can speak, I wonder? I don't think he says anything in the whole scene.)
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Aww, so much of the Chu Shuzhi/Guo Changcheng scene made it into the drama in various parts and ways. I love how they adapted all that. <3 <3 <3
“I don’t owe a thing to the Heavens or Earth! My conscience is clean! I’ve been atoning for my crimes for three hundred years—I paid it all off ages ago. Who the fuck do they think they are? What right do they have to judge me?”
Ah, the Netherworld "justice" system. They kept that in its essentials, too. /o\
The young man was truly a little tail. Every day he carried a little notebook around, following Chu Shuzhi everywhere, taking note of everything, and meticulously writing down every word anyone said, up to and including Daqing calling someone a stupid human. In ancient times, he would have been like a little eunuch keeping records of the emperor’s daily life.
Aww, that bit during the popcorn scene in the drama (ep 5, 5:50), where people are theorising why the Hallows won't respond, and DQ says, "Maybe, it's just that your detector is garbage," and GCC dutifully writes it down, word for word. :D
And then CSZ calls himself a minor character, cf the "Maybe we're just characters in someone else's story" drama line. <3
After leaving Zhao Yunlan’s family home, Shen Wei felt like he’d just endured a huge tribulation. He was exhausted in both heart and mind. While he’d been careful not to reveal anything in front of Zhao Yunlan’s mom, her eyes constantly scanned him like X-rays trying to discover his inner secrets. He felt like all that excess radiation was about to part his flesh from his bones.
Oof, I feel this. (Again, I'm all, "ZYL, take better care of your bf!" ;-p)
And it wasn’t you in particular she was being paranoid about. It was because earlier, when we were making dumplings, I accidentally came out to her. -- right, right, "accidentally". *facepalms* He can't be upfront about anything, can he? (I guess he's acutely conscious of all the things SW is keeping from him...)
Chu Shuzhi's whole backstory is a LOT, and I'm interested that Daqing knows all the details while ZYL has never heard it before. Huh. Plus the cut-off of 7 years old for being untouchable... ooookay?
He folded the Soul-Guarding Order into a paper crane, which flew out the window. In the blink of an eye, it disappeared like a wisp of smoke.
I keep being befuddled by magic, and especially by ZYL doing magic. Like, is this something just anyone can do? If it's because deep-down he's Kunlun, why hasn't he questioned why he can do it?
(But I'm really glad he's going to help CSZ. <3)
Thoughts on Daqing's being the one to send Guo Changcheng to accompany Chu Shuzhi, and generally taking up the mantle of leader in Zhao Yunlan's absence?
I love that -- I love how he's a cranky wise old mentor sometimes, or a deputy leader, and at other times a brat, a parental figure, or a fish-obsessed CAT. He is (very) large, he contains multitudes. :D
Does Chu Shuzhi really think Guo Changcheng's accumulating merits is a pointless waste of time, or is he just bitter because the Netherworld screwed him?
I mean, I think once you gamify ethics, principles for their own sake kind of go out the window. It makes it perfectly reasonable to have a "why bother?" attitude when the rules aren't in your favour. (I DNW a points-based ethical system! ;-p)
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Heeeee omg yes. :D :D I watched this scene so many times in the last few weeks but I didn't put these together, and now I'm all DUH, it's very obvious that this is where they took this bit from. :D (I love Wang Zheng's face when she laughs at it. :D /random)
"Chu Shuzhi's whole backstory is a LOT, and I'm interested that Daqing knows all the details while ZYL has never heard it before. Huh."
Daqing was there when CSZ started working for the Guardian, and I guess Zhao Yunlan just didn't care to find out why exactly CSZ got the punishment?
"Plus the cut-off of 7 years old for being untouchable... ooookay?"
I kinda highkey hate that I know, but it's pretty much exactly the same in the catholic church (or at least it was, and at least in some parts of it - I'm happy for all the other parts where it's not, if they exist :P), so this was unexpectedly super familar to me.
"I keep being befuddled by magic, and especially by ZYL doing magic. Like, is this something just anyone can do? If it's because deep-down he's Kunlun, why hasn't he questioned why he can do it?"
I think here it's the Soul-Guarding Order doing the magic. And generally it's always related to the magic objects he has, isn't it? And I guess only he can use some of them as the Guardian, and others, like the talismans, can be used by pretty much anyone who knows what they're doing.
"He is (very) large, he contains multitudes. :D"
:D :D :D ITA, and the fact that he's always in his cat form, no matter which role he takes, makes it even more fun. :D
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You'd think he might be a little bit curious? LOL.
I kinda highkey hate that I know, but it's pretty much exactly the same in the catholic church
... I did not know that. *side-eyes them, too*
I think here it's the Soul-Guarding Order doing the magic. And generally it's always related to the magic objects he has, isn't it?
Oh true. Good point. (It feels like a different genre from spirits and gods and sorcery, to me, but it probably isn't. ;-p)
and the fact that he's always in his cat form, no matter which role he takes, makes it even more fun. :D
It really does! As you said below, all the cat descriptions of are so great. :DDD
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I think Zhao Yunlan has some interesting priorities re: what he cares about sometimes. xD I can see him being curious, but I can also totally see him going 'eh, CSZ did something bad a very long time ago, what does it have to do with me? he's a good employee, that's what counts'.
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(Interestingly, in the drama DQ starts to gossip about it during the Regent's visit to the SID, but CSZ glares him into silence -- so they kept DQ knowing the details, but they delayed the reveal till the dream sequence or thereabouts. *hearts*)
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It 100% isn't!
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Right???? :D
(Again, I'm all, "ZYL, take better care of your bf!" ;-p)
Yeah, ZYL is very focused on "getting" SW, but a lot of this makes me feel like he cares significantly less than he thinks he does, because he's just riding roughshod over SW's feelings way too often. /o\
I keep being befuddled by magic, and especially by ZYL doing magic. Like, is this something just anyone can do?
That looks like perfectly ordinary talisman work to me?
I love that -- I love how he's a cranky wise old mentor sometimes, or a deputy leader, and at other times a brat, a parental figure, or a fish-obsessed CAT. He is (very) large, he contains multitudes. :D
Yes! Daqing is great! :D
I DNW a points-based ethical system! ;-p
100% agreed. Once it's about points, it no longer qualifies as ethics in my book.
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I think he cares a lot! He's just immature and not good at thinking about what caring for someone entails. He doesn't consider that Shen Wei might not be as forthright about his concerns as ZYL is usually prepared to be. /o\
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I also assume not, but I love how this scene sort of cinematically panned away to a different place in the same area. :D
"That is some attention span!!! (I think this oath is probably what became, in episode 4, the Envoy thinking, "Once a promise is made, even mountains can't get in our way. I promised you that for the sake of the people, for the sake of Haixing's peace, even if I have to forever shoulder burdens whilst going the opposite way, I will bravely advance forward." *pets*)"
Lol at the attention span, and also yes, I think so! One of the very, very few things that they grabbed from the novel and didn't build quite enough context around it - they're always so good at it otherwise! ♡
"I adore the conversation about Shen Wei's name -- both that ZYL recognises himself in the story (or at least, it sounds familiar), and his saying, “Who has the audacity to just randomly rename someone?” -- Gee, I wonder!!! LOL!!! <3 <3 <3"
Hahah, yes, and he says it after it sounded like him, lol awww, self-awareness. :D ♡♡♡
"Is Chu Shuzhi banned from the library because he'd be bound to abuse the sorcery books (ie, for safety reasons) or what? Is he just too disrespectful?"
Probably a condition of his sentence - the Netherworld doesn't trust him to have access to such things, whether they have reasons for that or not?
"(Has he tried using Changcheng as a book retrieval service yet?)"
Changcheng can't even see the door to the library, can he? :) But also CSZ didn't even read anything when he had access to the library (this time), so I guess he doesn't care all that much. xD
"Haha, that reminds me of the conversation about ZYL sprawling all over Shen Wei, post-canon. <333"
Omggggg, YES. :D :D :D I was equally melting into a puddle from both of these concepts but didn't put them together. :D :D :D ♡♡♡
"Zhao Yunlan’s eyesight was still recovering, so he didn’t see the little storage bin in the wardrobe, covered by a long trench coat. -- ooh, mystery! (Don't tell me! I've completely forgotten about this.) Love that the drama trench coat is from the novel, hee!"
I literally just assumed that this is where the underwear was and that's why he didn't find it. xD :D No idea if that's correct. xD
"The inscription on the Kunlun painting is so romantic (and the illustration in the official translation is gorgeous)"
There's beautiful fanart of this scene too. ♡♡♡ (I've recced this artist here before for the 'Shen Wei's inner colors' scene, and she's also drawn other things from the novel. ♡)
"It's just mean to stress SW out like this and then act all smug and wring a hug out of the situation!"
Ikr?? Needlessly worrying Shen Wei is the one thing that actually didn't work for me here. But also I don't think Zhao Yunlan thought at all about worrying him or getting a hug out of it, I think he went straight to acting smug and inappropriate and annoying to hide how hard he was thinking about the secret room.
[If my comment had anything to with you cut-tagging the last part, I really appreciate the sentiment, but honestly I don't really like the implications of it...? Having been on the other end of squickiness, feeling like it would be appreciated if I cut-tag my bathroom-kissing-Weilan squee would make me feel a lot more unwelcome than people just saying they were squicked by it (which was very 'fair enough' to me, and I actually genuinely loved that everyone could express their feelings exactly as they are). So I really don't want to be on this end of squickiness in this way - it's a lot more comfortable if everyone talks freely about all the things. ♡ (Also I'd probably still read your full comment even when it's cut, but I already read it before, I just had no time to reply, lol. :D)]
"Ha, the description of ZYL's mother is followed up with "Fathers and sons do often have somewhat similar tastes in partners, after all." But the way she talks to ZYL reminds me of the SID team all being so rude to each other, rather than SW."
I saw it as just her looks - all elegant and refined, and wearing glasses. I didn't even consider it would imply anyting about the personality - if it's supposed to, then it kinda really doesn't work. :P
"(Does his mum know DQ can speak, I wonder? I don't think he says anything in the whole scene.)"
I think she thinks he's a totally ordinary cat - in the phone call she said they've had him for so long that he's going to die soon.
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Excellent point about the cut-tagging! I didn't think that through, and I won't do it again. <3
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Yes, true. So much of priest's storytelling is cinematic. I can 100% see why the books get adapted. <3
One of the very, very few things that they grabbed from the novel and didn't build quite enough context around it - they're always so good at it otherwise! ♡
They really are. It's really wonderful (and it adds so much to my enjoyment of the novel). :D
Probably a condition of his sentence - the Netherworld doesn't trust him to have access to such things, whether they have reasons for that or not?
Oh, good point. And yes, I'd forgotten about GCC not being able to see the library door. Doh!
But also CSZ didn't even read anything when he had access to the library (this time), so I guess he doesn't care all that much. xD
I think he was too busy with his parole hearing to rootle around for good sorcery spells? ;-)
I literally just assumed that this is where the underwear was and that's why he didn't find it. xD
HEEEEE! Ahh, that's probably it, too. LOL!
Ahh, more gorgeous fanart! Thank you for linking!! *heart eyes* :DDD
Ikr?? Needlessly worrying Shen Wei is the one thing that actually didn't work for me here. But also I don't think Zhao Yunlan thought at all about worrying him or getting a hug out of it, I think he went straight to acting smug and inappropriate and annoying to hide how hard he was thinking about the secret room.
Oh, that's true. But the whole set-up to get SW out of the way was inevitably going to stress him out... ZYL should know that.
I saw it as just her looks - all elegant and refined, and wearing glasses. I didn't even consider it would imply anyting about the personality - if it's supposed to, then it kinda really doesn't work. :P
Yeah, Idk. I find it hard to get a good read on her character. Everyone in the novel is heightened and over-dramatic, and with the SID team, it feels like that's because they're all weirdos and a lot of them aren't human. But at the same time, this feels like more of the same to me? And her fierceness and her affection for and protectiveness of ZYL (and her cooking!) are not exactly traits SW lacks, you know?
I think she thinks he's a totally ordinary cat - in the phone call she said they've had him for so long that he's going to die soon.
Ha! I wonder if anyone's written a Yao reveal...
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Which shows a lot of restraint, I just realized? Like, he knows that he got screwed over when he IS in the library - he could do something really stupid about it with the resources he has, but he just doesn't, he's just sad and distracted instead.
"But the whole set-up to get SW out of the way was inevitably going to stress him out... ZYL should know that."
Oh, definitely, he should have known, and he should have scrapped the whole plan for this reason alone. It's only afterwards that he has other things to think about and probably no brainspace left to really pay attention to Shen Wei's reaction.
"Ha! I wonder if anyone's written a Yao reveal..."
Hmm, what do you need to do to provoke Daqing into talking, and how much does it need to involve dried fish. :D :D :D
And the funniest thing to me about the 'taste in partners' thing is that Zhao Yunlan didn't get it from his father, he literally got it from his past self, and it would always be Shen Wei no matter who the parents of this specific reincarnation are. xD
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Yeah, I got the impression he was too upset to do anything but storm out. *pets him* Good thing he has Changcheng to follow him home and distract him from his woes a bit.
Hmm, what do you need to do to provoke Daqing into talking, and how much does it need to involve dried fish. :D :D :D
Hahaha, something to do with transparent child-proof containers, maybe?
And the funniest thing to me about the 'taste in partners' thing is that Zhao Yunlan didn't get it from his father, he literally got it from his past self, and it would always be Shen Wei no matter who the parents of this specific reincarnation are. xD
Oh, that's true! Oh no, this is totally messing with my head wrt predestination and free will and all kinds of things, lol! (How have I got this far into the novel before having this crisis?? Somehow it's weirder when you bring parents and upbringing into it! :D)
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LOLOLOL!
Zhao Yunlan didn't get it from his father, he literally got it from his past self, and it would always be Shen Wei no matter who the parents of this specific reincarnation are. xD
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(I wonder if it sort of works the other way round, for him? if the parents for all his reincarnations are picked based on similarities with him, since he'll still inevitably be himself even when he reincarnates?)
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That's very true, yeah!
Ha! I wonder if anyone's written a Yao reveal...
Oh, that would be fun! :D
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Yes, 100% agreed on that!
Probably a condition of his sentence - the Netherworld doesn't trust him to have access to such things, whether they have reasons for that or not?
Yeah, that's my take too, and I also think he doesn't actually care about the books, LOL.
I literally just assumed that this is where the underwear was and that's why he didn't find it. xD :D No idea if that's correct. xD
I definitely think you're right about that!
"The inscription on the Kunlun painting is so romantic (and the illustration in the official translation is gorgeous)"
There's beautiful fanart of this scene too. ♡♡♡
So gorgeous! Thank you so much for sharing the art!
But also I don't think Zhao Yunlan thought at all about worrying him or getting a hug out of it, I think he went straight to acting smug and inappropriate and annoying to hide how hard he was thinking about the secret room.
That makes sense to me - and also, I think he still underestimates just how much SW worries. (Though he really shouldn't, at this point!)
it's a lot more comfortable if everyone talks freely about all the things. ♡
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I saw it as just her looks - all elegant and refined, and wearing glasses. I didn't even consider it would imply anyting about the personality - if it's supposed to, then it kinda really doesn't work. :P
Yeah, I took it the same way.
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Can't have been THAT fiercely, since SW is a lot stronger! :p
(At this stage SW doesn't know how much ZYL has figured out, right? ZYL is the one keeping secrets now? Hm.)
Yeah, at this point they're both keeping secrets from each other. Which they also do in the drama, though there ZYL hasn't got nearly as close to the truth, of course.
I think this oath is probably what became, in episode 4, the Envoy thinking, "Once a promise is made, even mountains can't get in our way.
Yeah, I think so, too!
Daqing passes on the red envelope to Xiao-Guo -- which somehow turned into dinner with Guo Ying in the drama. <3
Did it? I'm missing the connection here.
Is Chu Shuzhi banned from the library because he'd be bound to abuse the sorcery books (ie, for safety reasons) or what? Is he just too disrespectful? (Has he tried using Changcheng as a book retrieval service yet?)
I think he's banned as a matter of course, because he's wearing the shackles, and he actually doesn't care about the books. *g*
Haha, that reminds me of the conversation about ZYL sprawling all over Shen Wei, post-canon. <333
Yes! :D :D :D
And then it says, He had recently managed to force Shen Wei to reluctantly stay with him in this tiny apartment and how it's all about getting laid (presumably against Shen Wei's better judgement), and then I'm back to "ehhhhhhh, this makes me uncomfortable" again. ;-p
*hugs*
I got stuck on a different part that made me uncomfortable; I'm all for the two of them being stalkery at each other, but IMO that doesn't mean anything goes, you know?
and idk, I feel like the room is less creepy for an ancient immortal than it would be for a human? Like, when you've lived thousands of years, your perspective is inevitably going to be skewed anyway...?
Honestly, personally I never felt it was particularly creepy.
It's just mean to stress SW out like this and then act all smug and wring a hug out of the situation!
Yeah, I'm 100% with you on that.
Though, otoh, maybe ZYL thinks the best argument for their relationship is SW himself, and that once his mum sees SW, any resistance will evaporate, lol.
LOL, I just said the same thing in my comment, without having read this first!
(Does his mum know DQ can speak, I wonder? I don't think he says anything in the whole scene.)
Pretty sure she thinks he's an ordinary cat. She really doesn't know much about his life, which, honestly, I find pretty sad.
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Remind me where in the drama ZYL keeps secrets from SW? I'm blanking.
> > Daqing passes on the red envelope to Xiao-Guo -- which somehow turned into dinner with Guo Ying in the drama. <3
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> Did it? I'm missing the connection here.
I think the red envelope is how GCC's uncle finds out he's working at the SID -- so actually, this is more like SW & ZYL running into Guo Ying at the DoS, now I come to think of it, which was what led to the dinner. (I can't remember if the dinner happens in the novel.)
I'm all for the two of them being stalkery at each other, but IMO that doesn't mean anything goes, you know?
Absolutely!! There's (fantasy) stalking, and then there's riding roughshod over feelings, or impinging on people's autonomy.
Honestly, personally I never felt it was particularly creepy.
Really? Huh. I would be pretty disturbed to know I'd been being surveilled like that...
She really doesn't know much about his life, which, honestly, I find pretty sad.
He does work for a secret government department that routinely wipes people's memory, so I suppose it can't be helped. (I wonder how many people know there are yao living among them...)
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I meant that ZYL is hiding that he's realised out that SW is hiding info about Kunlun from him. (What with the destroyed audio recording and all.)
I think the red envelope is how GCC's uncle finds out he's working at the SID -- so actually, this is more like SW & ZYL running into Guo Ying at the DoS, now I come to think of it, which was what led to the dinner. (I can't remember if the dinner happens in the novel.)
Oh, I see! That makes sense, thank you for explaining.
Really? Huh. I would be pretty disturbed to know I'd been being surveilled like that...
In a real-world context, absolutely! But I guess I don't apply real-world rules when reincarnation and past lives are involved. *g*
He does work for a secret government department that routinely wipes people's memory, so I suppose it can't be helped. (I wonder how many people know there are yao living among them...)
Yeah, good question about who knows! And it's true that he probably doesn't have much of a choice, but that's just another way in which the world he's living in sucks.
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Oh, right. But he can't really raise that without pestering Shen Wei to tell him stuff, and he's decided not to pester, so he kind of has to sit on it, right?
But I guess I don't apply real-world rules when reincarnation and past lives are involved. *g*
Ha, I think for me that would only make it worse. Like, this person knows so much more about me than I do, and very little of it is about ~my specific instance of me~. ;-p
And it's true that he probably doesn't have much of a choice, but that's just another way in which the world he's living in sucks.
Eh, that doesn't bother me too much. He has plenty of people he can talk to about work (including his partner, now), and a lot of people have confidential work stuff.
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