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The Gauche in the Machine ([personal profile] china_shop) wrote in [community profile] sid_guardian2025-04-06 01:39 pm
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Guardian Readalong: Vol. 2, Chapters 13 & 14

Guardian novel readalong.


Welcome to this week's installment of the Guardian novel readalong! Here are last week's chapters, and you can find all previous discussions on the schedule post (vol. 1 part 1, vol. 1 part 2, vol. 2), or via the !readalong tag.

This week's chapters:

Chapter 13: Zhao Yunlan calls Shen Wei "Xiao-Wei" to defuse his fury at the Crows, and they leave the Yao Market. Daqing asks the Crows about his bell. The SID celebrates Lunar New Year's Eve with a party. Zhao Yunlan asks about Shen Wei's name. Chu Shuzhi leaves the SID library in a mood; Daqing tells Guo Changcheng to accompany him home. Zhao Yunlan arranges for Shen Wei to be called in to work so he can present Shen Wei with fait accompli cohabitation, but then he finds the portrait room and sends the movers away. Zhao Yunlan, Shen Wei and Daqing go to see Zhao Yunlan's parents, and Zhao Yunlan comes out to his mother.
Chapter 14: Changcheng follows Chu Shuzhi home; Chu Shuzhi tries to scare him off with cannibalism talk. Changcheng perseveres. Chu Shuzhi advises Changcheng to stop wasting time collecting so many merits; then he disappears. Zhao Yunlan tells Shen Wei he came out. Daqing tells Zhao Yunlan and Shen Wei that Lao-Chu's merit shackles were due to be removed but the Netherworld reneged. Shen Wei's knowledge and questions make Daqing suspicious about his identity. Zhao Yunlan sends a message telling Chu Shuzhi to come to the SID.
Phew! That's a lot!

The corresponding chapters in the Chinese version on JJWXC and the fan translation are:
Vol. 2 Ch. 13: ch. 64-66
Vol. 2 Ch. 14: ch. 67 and about the first fifth or so of ch. 68

Excerpts:
1. The SID Lunar New Year's Eve party
Toward the latter half of the night, after the New Year’s bell had already rung, drunk humans and ghosts alike started to run wild. Guo Changcheng flopped down on the table, sobbing loudly for some reason. After he finished crying, he tucked himself into a little corner and ignored everyone, meticulously polishing his work ID over and over with a microfiber cloth. Finally, he rolled under the table and fell into a deep sleep.

Chu Shuzhi, Lin Jing, Zhu Hong, and Daqing were gathered at a mahjong table. Other people’s chips automatically became dried fish when they arrived in front of Daqing. The cat’s expression was deadly serious. He had no choice but to keep winning, having eaten almost all his chips.

Lao-Li pulled a giant femur from out of nowhere and started pole dancing in front of everyone. Sangzan grabbed Wang Zheng’s hand, pulling her unexpectedly into his arms. He held her waist and lifted her up high; she laughed, humming a little tune from a faraway time, and danced a Hanga tribe dance with him.


2) Zhao Yunlan asks about Shen Wei's name
Zhao Yunlan silently put Shen Wei’s hand on his chest. Perhaps because of the alcohol, Zhao Yunlan’s pulse was a little fast. After a while, when Shen Wei thought he was about to fall asleep, Zhao Yunlan quietly asked, “‘Wei’… How did you come by that name?”

“It was originally the character Wei that’s made up of ‘mountain’ and ‘ghost.’” Shen Wei’s gaze dropped, seeming to gaze right through the gleaming floor; there was no knowing how far into the past he was looking. “But someone once said to me that while ‘mountain ghost’ was fitting, it was perhaps naming me into a corner. He told me that in this world, the mountains and seas are all connected, and lofty peaks stretch out endlessly. He suggested, ‘Why don’t we add a few more strokes and make it a proper name?’”

Zhao Yunlan touched his nose. This mysterious “someone” had a way of speaking that sounded rather familiar. “Who has the audacity to just randomly rename someone?”

Shen Wei smiled. “Just someone I met by chance on the road.”


3) Zhao Yunlan sees the portrait of Kunlun-jun
Eventually, the beam of light made its way to an ancient ink painting on the southern wall. It was huge, nearly occupying the entire wall on its own. The paper was as thin as a cicada’s wing, the surface as smooth as snow…and like all the others, it was a painting of a person.

The person was drawn with delicate brows and an almost lifelike expression. His long hair reached the ground, and he wore the simplest green robe imaginable. His head was tilted slightly, lips curved in the faintest hint of a smile. The brushwork was so vivid that it seemed the man might step out of the painting at any moment…and it was clearly none other than Zhao Yunlan himself!

Along the edge of the painting was a small line of text. It wasn’t modern simplified or traditional Chinese. In fact, it wasn’t any sort of writing he was familiar with. Zhao Yunlan had never laid eyes on it before. And yet, somehow, one quick look told him exactly what it said:

Laying eyes on Kunlun-jun for the first time, in the shades of the grove. A single fleeting glance and the melody of my heart faltered.
By Wei.


Was…was he, Zhao Yunlan, the Mountain God of the Great Wild…?


4) Zhao Yunlan comes out to his mother
She still seemed dumbfounded. Finally, stumbling over her words, she said, “Is he… The man you brought with you, is he…”

Zhao Yunlan nodded. He had both hands on the door, as though blocking it with his body. “I, your son, spent over half a year doing everything I could—cajoling and lying, consulting all thirty-six stratagems and seventy-two transformations… I used every trick I know. It would’ve been easier to start an uprising. And now he’s finally, finally mine. If you feel like you need to kill or maim someone, come at me, but please don’t go out there and ruin all my hard work. It’ll break my heart.”

To an onlooker, it would’ve appeared as though her soul had left her body. Her eyes far away, Zhao Yunlan’s mother began robotically wrapping dumplings without another word.

“Mom?”

His voice didn’t reach her. For a minute or two she was simply in a daze, completely unaware of what she was doing or what she had just heard. She was on autopilot.

Suddenly, after Zhao Yunlan’s repeated attempts to talk to her, she snapped out of it. Words began tumbling from her mouth before she could think. “What about your job? Will people gossip about you? What about your future? That’s right, I… I think your dad said you bought a house a few days ago. Do you still have money?”

Zhao Yunlan blinked, not at all sure how she’d jumped from him coming out to him not having money. If there was any logic there, he couldn’t see it. It seemed like she’d latched on to a few key terms and strung them into random sentences, and they all rushed out at once.


5) Chu Shuzhi gives Guo Changcheng some advice
A thick layer of glowing merits emanated from Guo Changcheng, who was about to cough his trachea into a bow. The impossibly white light seared Chu Shuzhi’s eyes.

The hand that had gripped Guo Changcheng’s neck suddenly lifted and came to rest on that messy bird’s nest atop his head. Guo Changcheng shivered instinctively. Chu Shuzhi patted the top of the man’s head, voice calmer and a bit tired now as he said, “You didn’t study properly as a kid, did you? Have you read The Injustice to Dou E? It clearly states that ‘those who act in kindness often suffer through poverty and live short lives, while those who do evil enjoy riches and long lives.’ Do you remember that?”

Guo Changcheng really wasn’t wired for studying. At the end of every year, he’d return everything he’d learned that year right back to the teacher, every last bit. So now he just squatted on the ground, looking up at Chu Shuzhi with a blank expression.

Chu Shuzhi tipped Guo Changcheng’s chin up and examined him for a while. “Your forehead is somewhat flat and narrow, which means the fate linking you and your parents is shallow. Your ears are thin, which means your youth was full of troubles. The middle third of your nose bridge protrudes a bit, which means you will lose the protection of your elders after you leave middle age, and the latter half of your life will be unpredictable.

“Overall, your face says you’ll have a hard life and ultimately won’t amount to much. There’s no point in collecting so many merits. Donating money and doing good will only make you even poorer. Try to be smarter from now on. Live in comfort like the nepo baby you are. Enjoy what you should and live a few good days while you can.”

Guo Changcheng kept looking up at him, confused.

“You really are a bit dense,” Chu Shuzhi said.



Questions:
On a scale of 1 to 10, how many feels do you have about the "Xiao-Wei" moment and how hard it mashes Shen Wei in the feels? Do you have a sense of why the Crows are breaking up with the rest of the Yao / helping Ghost Face? Thoughts on Daqing's being the one to send Guo Changcheng to accompany Chu Shuzhi, and generally taking up the mantle of leader in Zhao Yunlan's absence? Would you subscribe to the “Lord Meow Number One in the World” account? Zhao Yunlan's "Surprise! We're living together now!" plan: good idea / bad idea / it only works because it's them idea? On a scale of 1 to 10, how discomfiting is it for Zhao Yunlan to find Shen Wei's portrait room? On a scale of 1 to 10, how discomfiting is it for Shen Wei to meet Zhao Yunlan's mother? (Where is Zhao Yunlan's dad? Surely he should be there!) Zhao Yunlan's coming out speech: any notes? Does Chu Shuzhi really think Guo Changcheng's accumulating merits is a pointless waste of time, or is he just bitter because the Netherworld screwed him?

Poll #32943 SID Lunar New Year's Eve party
Open to: Registered Users, detailed results viewable to: All, participants: 6


What's your favourite detail from the SID Lunar New Year's Eve party?

View Answers

Guo Changcheng polishing his work ID with a microfiber cloth
3 (50.0%)

Chu Shuzhi, Lin Jing, Zhu Hong, and Daqing playing mahjong
0 (0.0%)

Daqing's mahjong chips turning into dried fish (and him eating them)
5 (83.3%)

Lao-Li pole-dancing around a giant femur
1 (16.7%)

Sang Zan and Wang Zheng doing their Hanga dance
1 (16.7%)

Shen Wei letting Zhao Yunlan use his thigh as a pillow
3 (50.0%)

other
0 (0.0%)



(As usual, these are all just conversation starters - feel free to answer all, some, or none, and to say as much or as little as you like! You don't have to be keeping up with the readalong!)

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facethestrange: (guardian: zhao yunlan lollipop)

[personal profile] facethestrange 2025-04-10 06:44 am (UTC)(link)
"These two are so perfect for each other. Stalker4stalker ❤"

LOLOL. ♡ I can't get over how they just one-up each other on this in these chapters specifically (and also in general). :D :D

"Hahaha that’s hilarious! Reminds me of that meme."

Bwah, this is SUCH a Daqing expression. :D :D
facethestrange: (guardian: zhao yunlan lollipop)

[personal profile] facethestrange 2025-04-10 10:05 am (UTC)(link)
♡♡♡! All good, sleep well! :)
facethestrange: (guardian: zhao yunlan lollipop)

[personal profile] facethestrange 2025-04-11 05:30 am (UTC)(link)
"LOL, you're not the only one writing giant-ass comments; don't feel self-conscious!!! :DDD"

Hahah, nah, I love y'all's giant-ass comments and mine too, they're so fun to write. :D :D

"Which is why the whole system is so terrible and I hate it. There are compelling, non-points-based reasons to be a good person! ;-p"

Yeah, I agree, and Xiao Guo definitely agrees too. :D

"Hee! But drama!Shen Wei doesn't really need holding back in the same way. He's much more controlled, even if he is furious in that moment."

Just hold him, not hold him back, hee, so that he can, like, MELT INTO IT. *wants* :D :D

"I presume she'd just keep using them as chips? Otherwise what would they gamble with?"

Hahah, so they keep gambling with the dried fish and when they're finished with the game DQ eats them anyway? xD Not much of a loss for him. xD :D

"Hee! I think Daqing thinks he's too old and venerable to work (and he's not entirely wrong?). Cleaning up is a job for the kids."

Lol yep, but also if he's afraid of being roped into doing work, then people at least sometimes try to do that, no matter his status. ;D But not Lao-Li apparently, he doesn't even suggest doing any work. I like their friendship here, and I can totally see where the drama version of it came from. :)

"Yep, it's called physiognomy. (Like horoscopes, but for your face instead of your birth date/time.)"

Oh, I know physiognomy but it's just personality, not actual events of your life, and apparently when exactly/approximately they're going to happen to you too? That's the part I've never heard of. :) (The wikipedia article links to mien shiang, which I guess is a bit more relevant, but even this just says "character, personality, and (future) health", so still not quite as detailed as "The middle third of your nose bridge protrudes a bit, which means you will lose the protection of your elders after you leave middle age, and the latter half of your life will be unpredictable." :P)
facethestrange: (guardian: zhao yunlan lollipop)

[personal profile] facethestrange 2025-04-11 05:58 am (UTC)(link)
"I think he was too busy with his parole hearing to rootle around for good sorcery spells? ;-)"

Which shows a lot of restraint, I just realized? Like, he knows that he got screwed over when he IS in the library - he could do something really stupid about it with the resources he has, but he just doesn't, he's just sad and distracted instead.

"But the whole set-up to get SW out of the way was inevitably going to stress him out... ZYL should know that."

Oh, definitely, he should have known, and he should have scrapped the whole plan for this reason alone. It's only afterwards that he has other things to think about and probably no brainspace left to really pay attention to Shen Wei's reaction.

"Ha! I wonder if anyone's written a Yao reveal..."

Hmm, what do you need to do to provoke Daqing into talking, and how much does it need to involve dried fish. :D :D :D

And the funniest thing to me about the 'taste in partners' thing is that Zhao Yunlan didn't get it from his father, he literally got it from his past self, and it would always be Shen Wei no matter who the parents of this specific reincarnation are. xD
facethestrange: (guardian: zhao yunlan gesturing)

[personal profile] facethestrange 2025-04-11 06:07 am (UTC)(link)
"You'd think he might be a little bit curious? LOL."

I think Zhao Yunlan has some interesting priorities re: what he cares about sometimes. xD I can see him being curious, but I can also totally see him going 'eh, CSZ did something bad a very long time ago, what does it have to do with me? he's a good employee, that's what counts'.
facethestrange: (guardian: zhao yunlan lollipop)

[personal profile] facethestrange 2025-04-11 06:56 pm (UTC)(link)
"Yeah, I got the impression he was too upset to do anything but storm out. *pets him* Good thing he has Changcheng to follow him home and distract him from his woes a bit."

Which kinda makes him a less dangerous person than he seems/wants to seem - when you get really upset and don't immediately lash out, that's already something. And lol, I was doing the next chapters today, and at one point GCC stands around sniffling and CSZ is all 'I forgot to be angry for a second', they're so precious. :D

"Hahaha, something to do with transparent child-proof containers, maybe?"

Lolol, DQ: *meow* *MEOW* *YOWL* Fuck! I meant meow. xD xD xD

"Oh, that's true! Oh no, this is totally messing with my head wrt predestination and free will and all kinds of things, lol! (How have I got this far into the novel before having this crisis?? Somehow it's weirder when you bring parents and upbringing into it! :D)"

Hee, yeah, I guess when reincarnation is involved you will always encounter this problem (or at least when the possibility of remembering past lives exists). But in a way for Zhao Yunlan it's ~better~ than for regular people? Because he is Kunlun more than other people are their past-life selves, so the decisions were sort of actually made by him, he just doesn't remember it. (But then again, I think other people are not as influenced by the decisions of their past selves as he is, so it evens out. :P)
facethestrange: (guardian: zhao yunlan lollipop)

[personal profile] facethestrange 2025-04-11 07:18 pm (UTC)(link)
"During the rewatch, Trobadora and I joked about getting a diploma in Guardian studies. This feels like that all over again! :D I love digging into the canon in depth with other, ah, lovingly detail-oriented people. ;D <3 <3 <3"

Hee, I think the rewatch is still on a whole other level, but I love that tooooo, and I'm so happy to get to be a part of something similar now. :D :D (Well, technically I was there for the first two (?) posts of the rewatch, with absolutely no idea what I was watching or commenting on. ;D Still eternally grateful because I wouldn't be in this fandom at all without that. :D)

"Ohh, gotcha. Maybe in YOHE?"

In YOHE there would be no callback factor for 'Xiao-Wei', but also idec, YOHE Weilan can do absolutely anything and I'm automatically going to be like

:D :D :D

"Hm, except that, as Trobadora pointed out, dried fish are people food too. So maybe Zhu Hong will eat them. (Random fun detail: the original drama subs had this typo: "The presbyters of three races Crow, Flower and Snack" -- which means there are icons floating around of Zhu Hong eating Changcheng snacks during the roadtrip, with a caption something like "Member of the Snack Tribe". :D)"

Lol, I love how this would kind of be an incentive for everyone to win, not just for Da Qing - when the game is finished you get to snack and not just put the chips away. xD :D And heeeeeeeee, I know the subs (that's the version I have) but I've never seen the icons, that's fantastic. :D :D :D My mind went to 'she is a snack', which I guess is also true. xD :D :D

"Haha, true. And even though he doesn't have opposable thumbs! :D"

Ikr, I'm not sure what kind of work he can do, maybe pushing things around or something. :D

"Yeah, I never know how much that's the "cultivation is real, fortune-telling is real" kind of world-building, versus how much it's derived from RL/traditional beliefs, you know? But that's a great find -- thanks for the link! :D"

Yeah, I'm sure some of it is embellished, but also later I saw that further down at the link there is stuff about specific years and areas of life, so that's extremely close to what CSZ was doing with GCC's face. :D
facethestrange: (guardian: zhao yunlan gesturing)

[personal profile] facethestrange 2025-04-11 07:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh yep, I can see drama!ZYL being more curious!

"(Interestingly, in the drama DQ starts to gossip about it during the Regent's visit to the SID, but CSZ glares him into silence -- so they kept DQ knowing the details, but they delayed the reveal till the dream sequence or thereabouts. *hearts*)"

Oh, cool, I didn't remember that! His novel crime is a whole other level of a disturbing secret, lol.
facethestrange: (guardian: zhao yunlan lollipop)

[personal profile] facethestrange 2025-04-12 05:17 am (UTC)(link)
"Yeah, maybe he's mellowed over the last 300 years, or it's the influence of working at the SID?"

Probably both, yeah, and also I feel like his outbursts are 'be really edgy, make everyone hate you' and not how he actually is on the inside, which is mostly just grumpy and tired and done with everything.

"Ha, yes. I can't even get my head around it. "When is a god not a god?" It feels like a koan. ;-p"

Lol yes. He even overrode genetics entirely (looking exactly the same no matter who his biological relatives are, which I don't think is ever the case for other people who reincarnate), so definitely more god than not god. :D
facethestrange: (guardian: xiao wei lollipop)

[personal profile] facethestrange 2025-04-12 06:19 am (UTC)(link)
"OMG THAT GIF, HEE! (That's How I Met Your Mother, isn't it? LOL.)"

I actually have no idea what it's from, lolol, but yeah, probably. :D /fandom osmosis knowledge

I think it's the only gif that I grabbed from late 2000s/early 2010s livejournal and still use on the regular because it's never not relevant. :D :D

"And true about the callback factor, but I'd argue that technically there's no callback factor in the drama anyway (that we see) (and even in the novel, it's only in the Shen San short story, right?). So I'm never sure if there's an implied callback in the drama, or if it's the sheer power of the endearment itself that stops Shen Wei dead in his tracks, lol. I mean, it's a pretty shocking thing for anyone to call the Envoy when he's mid-judgement!! :DDD"

It's so much of a callback in my head that idec that it's just a headcanon, lol, but obviously all of this is true. :D And also just the fact that using an endearment at all is new. (In the novel it kinda has to be a callback because they use endearments all the time, he wouldn't even notice unless it's a specific meaningful one. But this was my strongest drama headcanon before I even knew anything about the novel. :D)

"Oh, wow, that's cool! I wonder how "true" the predictive power of it is in the novelverse. Like, is it as much a horoscope-style superstition as in the real world (from my sceptical POV), or is it more true in a supernatural context..."

CSZ doesn't strike me as superstitious, so I guess in-world it's true, but it's so funny to me because you could probably disprove it in five seconds by looking at any two people who look similar (let alone identical twins) and their completely different lives. xD
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facethestrange: (guardian: zhao yunlan lollipop)

[personal profile] facethestrange 2025-04-12 06:25 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, definitely. Crime of passion vs being petty and extra.
facethestrange: (guardian: zhao yunlan gesturing)

[personal profile] facethestrange 2025-04-12 06:38 am (UTC)(link)
"*continues to be extremely baffled* (I should just stop trying to make it make sense, shouldn't I? ;-)"



Idk why I post old gifs all of a sudden, but if they fit they fit. :D :D

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