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Guardian Episode by Episode: 20
Welcome to the rewatchalong! This week we do episode 20. We're at the halfway point! The Imgur screencap album has 102 images, a large number of which are of Zhu Jiu and Ye Zun.
Previously on:
Episode 1, Episode 2, Episode 3, Episode 4, Episode 5, Episode 6, Episode 7, Episode 8, Episode 9, Episode 10, Episode 11, Episode 12, Episode 13, Episode 14, Episode 15, Episode 16, Episode 17, Episode 18, Episode 19
This week, Zhu Jiu escapes, and we meet Ye Zun!
Introductions
We meet Ye Zunin the flesh in spectral energy form! The first time we see him, he's at the foot of the pillar, and he's not wearing his mask:
"Zhu Jiu, bring me another of those boxer dudes so I have enough energy to manifest my mask!"
Then we're informed that this isn't enough energy to break the seal (so he's still confined to the pillar, sort of), and he fucks off to Haixing. He's standing in the park near the entrance to Dixing – not enough energy to go further?
"Let's experiment – can I snort Haixing?"
On the topic of Zhu Jiu, Ye Zun says "He burned up so he could live in my blood forever", and given the lack of regrets, it is very megalomaniacal. Better take a few steps back.
"I'm a good guy. You, too, can live in my blood forever, and I don't even charge an entry fee! Get eaten today!"
Ye Zun is bitter about Dixing's treatment. He thinks humans have cut off Dixingians' desires and forced maintainance of the status quo, and says he wants to change this.
He also really wants those Hallows. When he doesn't get them, he turns violent, and when that doesn't work, he starts pouting.
We also get the first hints of his gege issues: when Shen Wei turns up to deal with Ye Zun and Zhao Yunlan's Hallows-involving battle, Ye Zun says "after all these years you're still the same" to gege; likely he's referring to the whole "In my heart, you have always come first, but in your heart, others are above me" thing he was thinking in the time travel segment and he's jealous of Zhao Yunlan.
Characterization
Let's start with Zhu Jiu, who got his final appearance! We got the rest of his tragic backstory: he got into trouble with his boss because of his weird behavior after meeting Ye Zun for the first time, ran back to Ye Zun, had some of Ye Zun's dark energy enter his head, and murdered his ex-boss. Then we see him have a confrontation with the Envoy, where he asks the Envoy about the treaty. The bit where the Envoy says that "Peace didn't come easy" might've actually even happened; the follow-ups of "So the centipede keeps on struggling even after it's dead" and then making references to Ye Zun and saying he must "nip evil in the bud" (by ... giving Zhu Jiu a dramatic scar across the cheek) are at the very least edited. Or some-years-back Shen Wei was being really strict as the Envoy, but that still doesn't make sense of the whole "nip evil in the bud" by slashing the cheek thing.
How much is it dream, and how much is it Shen Wei floundering his way through Envoy-ing in the modern era?
Being asked who his boss is made Zhu Jiu recall the whole suicide-by-energy-donation thingy. He really was quite dedicated to Ye Zun, though at least some of that must've been mind control. Given the suicide bottle and his reluctance to divulge knowledge of who his boss is, it seems like the plan was that he went upstairs to give the SID hell and find the Hallows, but commit suicide rather than tell anyone anything.
"So long, and no thanks for all the shit."
Zhu Hong keeps stuff just because it looks fun. Like stimulants from the snake tribe apothecary.
Also, this is NOT appropriate IV injection technique.
Da Qing put on a suit and impersonated a Department of Supervision official to go fetch Lin Jing and Cong Bo. (Minister Gao was incensed.) It seems Zhao Yunlan let him come up with his own plan for retrieval independently.
"H, I am the top of the Department of Supervision food chain."
Shen Wei casually healed Ye Huo and Guo Changcheng behind Chu Shuzhi's back. Other than that, we saw him be very concerned about Zhao Yunlan, bail Yunlan out of a situation, be very happy when Yunlan revealed that he still lived, and be dispirited when Yunlan's blindness was revealed.
By showing such cute teeth to Yunlan, surely Yunlan will give up the Hallows-groping!
Chu Shuzhi has learned nothing from the cold room debacle, and left Guo Changcheng in charge of Zhu Jiu. He also thinks it's okay to beat up prisoners, and punches a lying-down Zhu Jiu to shut him up.
"Insult the Envoy one more time, and I will punch you in the balls instead of the solar plexus."
On the other hand, Guo Changcheng is invested in the care and comfort of prisoners, and declares that he wants to give Zhu Jiu water and dumplings, so of course he assents to bringing Zhu Jiu to the bathroom. Then, because he's an idiot, he removes Zhu Jiu's handcuffs. Why???? As we can see from how Zhu Jiu pisses, he could've done the fly unzipping and aiming with his hands cuffed together just fine.
Too dumb to live.
Let's take a moment to talk about the politicians! Minister Gao is at first super duper incensed about Zhao Yunlan's stunt, but then Zhao Xinci turns up to plead on the SID's behalf and justifies the whole thing as them capturing a dangerous Dixingian, and we witness Minister Gao's opinion do an instant 180° turn.
"Please, at least wait five minutes for your views to evolve this much."
Zhao Xinci refers to Zhang Shi as an "old disease" and/or folds him into the heart troubles he's been having. He's also the one hurrying up a much more patient Professor Ouyang (but then Zhang Shi comes out to tell everyone to chill and do it right instead of fast). Oh, and Professor Ouyang looks at the dude accompanying Zhao Xinci before answering the progress question – who is that dude?
This dude. Who's he?
In Dixing, the Regent and the Attendant turn up to look at Ye Zun's pillar. The Attendant suggests they aid Ye Zun, while the Regent (predictably) advises him not to take sides so soon.
"Child, you must learn the number one rule of life: never pick a side unless your life depends on it. In that case, pick both."
When she finds Zhu Jiu's death bottle, Ya Qing seems a bit sad over his death, even if he was a racist at her. Somehow she also figures out where Ye Zun is waiting and brings Zhu Hong and Zhao Yunlan to see him.
You may note that I saved the best for last – Zhao Yunlan. In this episode's taxi scene, he hears his name said in Ye Zun's voice, despite Zhu Jiu still living and the fact that he's only been corrupted by the Hallows. As for the conversation with Shen Wei, I distinctly recall that somewhere we discussed it; a native speaker opined that the whole "Zhao Yunlan cannot love" thing was a mistranslation and it was more that he was last in love when love was handed out (and that in a different context, what he said would come across as very flirty). There's also some nice handsiness and care demonstrated between Shen Wei and Zhao Yunlan.
"Shen Wei, please go to the Ministry alone. This is totally because of the Hallows' message and not at all because my dad might be there."
The conversation with Ye Zun started with Zhao Yunlan exhorting him to remove his mask. (Now I'm stuck imagining an AU where Zhao Yunlan asks Ye Zun about why he's doing what he's doing and sticks a lollipop in his mouth and suddenly the jealous twin is Shen Wei. *g*) Zhao Yunlan also doesn't engage with Ye Zun's arguments at all and instead calls him out on his treatment of his fellow Dixingians. He also later remarks to Shen Wei that Ye Zun feels familiar somehow.
"Also, who turned the lights off?"
Canon details
There was also a very nice Reunion Festival dinner!
Cinematography
Shots from above!
Shots from below!
Obligatory hand close-up!
And some that are just in general nice!
Zhao Yunlan jacket watch
Same one as last ep, as it's the same day.
Did Shen Wei take off his glasses?
No.
Previously on:
Episode 1, Episode 2, Episode 3, Episode 4, Episode 5, Episode 6, Episode 7, Episode 8, Episode 9, Episode 10, Episode 11, Episode 12, Episode 13, Episode 14, Episode 15, Episode 16, Episode 17, Episode 18, Episode 19
This week, Zhu Jiu escapes, and we meet Ye Zun!
Introductions
We meet Ye Zun
"Zhu Jiu, bring me another of those boxer dudes so I have enough energy to manifest my mask!"
Then we're informed that this isn't enough energy to break the seal (so he's still confined to the pillar, sort of), and he fucks off to Haixing. He's standing in the park near the entrance to Dixing – not enough energy to go further?
"Let's experiment – can I snort Haixing?"
On the topic of Zhu Jiu, Ye Zun says "He burned up so he could live in my blood forever", and given the lack of regrets, it is very megalomaniacal. Better take a few steps back.
"I'm a good guy. You, too, can live in my blood forever, and I don't even charge an entry fee! Get eaten today!"
Ye Zun is bitter about Dixing's treatment. He thinks humans have cut off Dixingians' desires and forced maintainance of the status quo, and says he wants to change this.
He also really wants those Hallows. When he doesn't get them, he turns violent, and when that doesn't work, he starts pouting.
We also get the first hints of his gege issues: when Shen Wei turns up to deal with Ye Zun and Zhao Yunlan's Hallows-involving battle, Ye Zun says "after all these years you're still the same" to gege; likely he's referring to the whole "In my heart, you have always come first, but in your heart, others are above me" thing he was thinking in the time travel segment and he's jealous of Zhao Yunlan.
Characterization
Let's start with Zhu Jiu, who got his final appearance! We got the rest of his tragic backstory: he got into trouble with his boss because of his weird behavior after meeting Ye Zun for the first time, ran back to Ye Zun, had some of Ye Zun's dark energy enter his head, and murdered his ex-boss. Then we see him have a confrontation with the Envoy, where he asks the Envoy about the treaty. The bit where the Envoy says that "Peace didn't come easy" might've actually even happened; the follow-ups of "So the centipede keeps on struggling even after it's dead" and then making references to Ye Zun and saying he must "nip evil in the bud" (by ... giving Zhu Jiu a dramatic scar across the cheek) are at the very least edited. Or some-years-back Shen Wei was being really strict as the Envoy, but that still doesn't make sense of the whole "nip evil in the bud" by slashing the cheek thing.
How much is it dream, and how much is it Shen Wei floundering his way through Envoy-ing in the modern era?
Being asked who his boss is made Zhu Jiu recall the whole suicide-by-energy-donation thingy. He really was quite dedicated to Ye Zun, though at least some of that must've been mind control. Given the suicide bottle and his reluctance to divulge knowledge of who his boss is, it seems like the plan was that he went upstairs to give the SID hell and find the Hallows, but commit suicide rather than tell anyone anything.
"So long, and no thanks for all the shit."
Zhu Hong keeps stuff just because it looks fun. Like stimulants from the snake tribe apothecary.
Also, this is NOT appropriate IV injection technique.
Da Qing put on a suit and impersonated a Department of Supervision official to go fetch Lin Jing and Cong Bo. (Minister Gao was incensed.) It seems Zhao Yunlan let him come up with his own plan for retrieval independently.
"H, I am the top of the Department of Supervision food chain."
Shen Wei casually healed Ye Huo and Guo Changcheng behind Chu Shuzhi's back. Other than that, we saw him be very concerned about Zhao Yunlan, bail Yunlan out of a situation, be very happy when Yunlan revealed that he still lived, and be dispirited when Yunlan's blindness was revealed.
By showing such cute teeth to Yunlan, surely Yunlan will give up the Hallows-groping!
Chu Shuzhi has learned nothing from the cold room debacle, and left Guo Changcheng in charge of Zhu Jiu. He also thinks it's okay to beat up prisoners, and punches a lying-down Zhu Jiu to shut him up.
"Insult the Envoy one more time, and I will punch you in the balls instead of the solar plexus."
On the other hand, Guo Changcheng is invested in the care and comfort of prisoners, and declares that he wants to give Zhu Jiu water and dumplings, so of course he assents to bringing Zhu Jiu to the bathroom. Then, because he's an idiot, he removes Zhu Jiu's handcuffs. Why???? As we can see from how Zhu Jiu pisses, he could've done the fly unzipping and aiming with his hands cuffed together just fine.
Too dumb to live.
Let's take a moment to talk about the politicians! Minister Gao is at first super duper incensed about Zhao Yunlan's stunt, but then Zhao Xinci turns up to plead on the SID's behalf and justifies the whole thing as them capturing a dangerous Dixingian, and we witness Minister Gao's opinion do an instant 180° turn.
"Please, at least wait five minutes for your views to evolve this much."
Zhao Xinci refers to Zhang Shi as an "old disease" and/or folds him into the heart troubles he's been having. He's also the one hurrying up a much more patient Professor Ouyang (but then Zhang Shi comes out to tell everyone to chill and do it right instead of fast). Oh, and Professor Ouyang looks at the dude accompanying Zhao Xinci before answering the progress question – who is that dude?
This dude. Who's he?
In Dixing, the Regent and the Attendant turn up to look at Ye Zun's pillar. The Attendant suggests they aid Ye Zun, while the Regent (predictably) advises him not to take sides so soon.
"Child, you must learn the number one rule of life: never pick a side unless your life depends on it. In that case, pick both."
When she finds Zhu Jiu's death bottle, Ya Qing seems a bit sad over his death, even if he was a racist at her. Somehow she also figures out where Ye Zun is waiting and brings Zhu Hong and Zhao Yunlan to see him.
You may note that I saved the best for last – Zhao Yunlan. In this episode's taxi scene, he hears his name said in Ye Zun's voice, despite Zhu Jiu still living and the fact that he's only been corrupted by the Hallows. As for the conversation with Shen Wei, I distinctly recall that somewhere we discussed it; a native speaker opined that the whole "Zhao Yunlan cannot love" thing was a mistranslation and it was more that he was last in love when love was handed out (and that in a different context, what he said would come across as very flirty). There's also some nice handsiness and care demonstrated between Shen Wei and Zhao Yunlan.
"Shen Wei, please go to the Ministry alone. This is totally because of the Hallows' message and not at all because my dad might be there."
The conversation with Ye Zun started with Zhao Yunlan exhorting him to remove his mask. (Now I'm stuck imagining an AU where Zhao Yunlan asks Ye Zun about why he's doing what he's doing and sticks a lollipop in his mouth and suddenly the jealous twin is Shen Wei. *g*) Zhao Yunlan also doesn't engage with Ye Zun's arguments at all and instead calls him out on his treatment of his fellow Dixingians. He also later remarks to Shen Wei that Ye Zun feels familiar somehow.
"Also, who turned the lights off?"
Canon details
- Zhu Jiu has been in Dragon City for years, as per Zhao Xinci
- Zhao Yunlan's blindness was caused by the Hallows corrupting him
There was also a very nice Reunion Festival dinner!
Cinematography
Shots from above!
Shots from below!
Obligatory hand close-up!
And some that are just in general nice!
Zhao Yunlan jacket watch
Same one as last ep, as it's the same day.
Did Shen Wei take off his glasses?
No.
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It honestly never occurred to me that this isn't real. It's a pretty terrible handling of Zhu Jiu, but I always took that as an indication that Shen Wei wasn't always handling all his Envoy business great, and had a learning curve.
Earlier dialogue, IIRC,Other dialogue in this episode indicates that Zhu Jiu has been on Haixing for a long time, so I always took this to be a very 'young' Envoy who is more prone to mistakes, and maybe overcompensating uncertainty with additional strictness.My notes on the episode say: "Shen Wei is really pretty hardcore with Zhu Jiu. What on earth did he think he's doing? Slice up the guy and then LET HIM GO?" But I find it an interesting shade of Shen Wei, and take it at face value. (The show tends to leave things out more when it is misdirecting / painting a different picture first and then correcting later, rather than present an edited or warped version, as far as I can tell.)
Da Qing put on a suit and impersonated a Department of Supervision official to go fetch Lin Jing and Cong Bo.
I admit I kind of went, And he didn't fix his hair?? >_> He looks like he's impersonating a grown-up without being one...
Also, this is NOT appropriate IV injection technique.
LOL! Not quite... The SID is actually pretty ruthless with Zhu Jiu, where they dope him up "for a short while" so they can question him better, but aren't that concerned that he's not going to make it. I find that ruthlessness very... noteworthy. *g*
Then, because he's an idiot, he removes Zhu Jiu's handcuffs. Why????
I know. ;___; I mean, sure, prisoners should get to go pee, but why on earth would he not alert someone else, someone a little less new and gullible, to help him and be backup? WHY?
I think there are various ways to slot that taxi conversation into an interpretation of the canon, but that casual knee-pat is quite golden in any of them. *g*
This dude. Who's he?
That's Minister Gao? I am really pretty sure? I mean, now you have made me doubt myself, but...
A really lovely bit, IMO, is Zhao Yunlan poking Shen Wei for a private chat while the others are eating. Just the way he gets his attention and they have their own private conference is ❤️❤️❤️
And then the ending in the park! I don't know if I can love Zhao Yunlan more than in the moment where he looks at Ye Zun's grandstanding entrance and gives him that... little wave. (I mean, I probably can love him more, but this scene is very high on the list!) The comedy contrast of Ye Zun and Zhao Yunlan is absolutely golden.
And funner on rewatch to me was realising that some of Zhao Yunlan's speeching is him buying time for Shen Wei to get there. (And how sure he is that Shen Wei will get there! My heart.)
"Never underestimate us humans" is very interesting to me in light of the ending, too.
And I have nothing smart to say about the very last shot, but Zhao Yunlan rubbing at his eyes and the realisation coming over him, and Shen Wei catching his hand, still gets me on every feels level I have. Oh, show. (;__;)
(And your screencap of Shen Wei's smile right before is the perfect ouchy set-up.)
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That's also possible! Shen Wei's expression after Zhu Jiu tells them everything ... has many interpretations. I do think that Ye Zun at the very least nudged the emotions related to recalling the scene and thus skewed it a bit. (The whole bit about centipedes also sounds more like Ye Zun than Shen Wei to me.) However! Young Shen Wei, newly awakened in the modern era, maybe taking some dodgy advice from the Regent and screwing up everything by being too strict is a very valid take, and one I do share, even if I don't necessarily find this one to be an example of it.
At 10 000 years old, he is veritable proof that one may or may not have to grow old, but one certainly doesn't have to grow up! *g*
I suppose it's partly due to them having been against him for 6 months, and him almost getting Guo Changcheng and Chu Shuzhi killed. And regardless of whether Haixing's prisoner protection laws are decent or crap, they don't apply to Dixingians. So they can mistreat Zhu Jiu as much as they like.
I just looked at the screencaps I took and: probably? I just can't recognize him outside his office. *g*
IKR? And Shen Wei has an actual expression:
Indeed! Ye Zun is doing the Dixing Thing of being OTT dramatic, and Zhao Yunlan is ... being Zhao Yunlan. And talking and stalling to buy time for Shen Wei to turn up and deal with this problem Zhao Yunlan has no clue how to solve.
It is, yes, though it would fit better if Ye Zun had actually been taken down by human ingenuity, rather than Shen Wei's self-sacrifice.
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It is, yes, though it would fit better if Ye Zun had actually been taken down by human ingenuity, rather than Shen Wei's self-sacrifice.
Ye Zun was taken down by Shen Wei's sacrifice, but Zhao Yunlan's sacrifice fixed the hellhole that was Dixing. I always found it quite profound that that didn't just end a battle, but fixed the greater injustice of the state Dixing was in.
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But the darkness wasn't a bug, it was a feature-True! But the context of the line was defeating Ye Zun, so it'd have been nice if human ingenuity had been what brought him down.no subject
But the context of the line was defeating Ye Zun, so it'd have been nice if human ingenuity had been what brought him down.
Not actually disagreeing with you, just elaborating why for me the connection works. Ye Zun, for all his personal trauma and revenge agenda, does dress up his villainy as a way for the Dixing people to get revenge on humans treating them badly, shafting them with the peace agreement, etc. So to me, even in the context of Ye Zun, that making things right for Dixing comes from a human making the sacrifice, not Shen Wei, fits and actually is a pretty good fuck you / prove-him-wrong to Ye Zun.
(Ye Zun's actual beef was IMO much more personal, and it was pretty much exclusively Dixingren who treated him badly or 'betrayed him', so him personally being taken down in a much more personal way by Shen Wei also works for him.)
Not that I would at all object to Zhao Yunlan getting a chance to take Ye Zu down, but that's where I was coming from with that!
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Nodnod! Indeed, it does work that Ye Zun be brought down by his brother, even if I wish we could've gotten an ending where Ye Zun realized that all the anti-human and anti-gege stuff was implanted by the one guy who actually treated him badly, and he'd then maybe stop his vendetta, but alas, that was not to happen. Alternatively, Zhao Yunlan accidentally talking him into reconciling with Shen Wei. Then again, I am a sucker for happy endings and reconciliations and redemption, plus Zhao Yunlan being competent and saving the day...
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Da Qing's suit here is much better than the one he wears go on a date a little later on.
I'm following the discussion of Zhu Jiu's backstory with interest though I don't have much to add. I too assumed that everything shown really happened.
That taxi scene was so confusing at first watch -- I'd love to see more translation discussion and cultural context. I think Solo's subs have ZYL saying that he doesn't love easily where as the YouTube subs said he wasn't capable of love.
In a latter episode we find out that Zhao Xinci was in hospital having an operation on Reunion Night. (That's the night Bai Suxia dies) So possibly his heart trouble is supposed to be pretty bad. This is another bit of timeline that confuses me.
Also I love the Reunion Night dinner. Its a lovely found family moment.
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I guess he did actually have an old injury/heart condition acting up, or it was scheduled surgery? I'll have to look into it when we get there.
It is! Guo Changcheng even goes "Is this what having a family is like?"
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Zhao Yunlan says that he's 五行缺爱 which literally translates to "lacking love out of the five elements". The 五行缺... phrase comes from the practice of divination based on one's birth chart. Depending on the time and date you were born, there's a certain composition of the five elements that determines how your life will be. For e.g. 五行缺水 means to lack the water element and there are repercussions on one's life but usually something can be done about that. (Fortune-telling is a for-profit business!)
The five elements are water, fire, earth, metal and wood. Love is not one of them. 五行缺爱 is more of a colloquial joke-y phrase. Or a bad pick-up line, something like 'My doctor says I'm lacking in vitamin U'.
It's quite clear that ZYL is not being flirtatious in this episode, so my interpretation is that it's more of a deflection + self-depreciating joke. Shen Wei has been hinting that ZYL should consider Zhu Hong as a romantic partner, so ZYL saying that he's 五行缺爱 shuts down that conversation without going deep into the reasons why he and Zhu Hong are not compatible, which is probably something he doesn't want to go into at that point, and does it in a slightly joke-y way that would leave Shen Wei slightly exasperated rather than going deeper into awkward feelsy territory. It's like saying 'oh it's not in my fate to love' but not in a serious way.
As for what it means for ZYL and SW's relationship, I think that's up to interpretation, but I think that the fact that Shen Wei brings up Zhu Hong shows that they're not at the 'we're gonna be together forever and ever' stage yet. ZYL's 五行缺爱 is also consistent with this; they might have gotten together but he's not yet certain that it's going to be a long-term thing.
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It might've been you, if you posted the question on a forum for native speakers and reported back! In fact, it probably was you. Thank you for (re-)posting!
Mm, I think I agree with this – they're In This Together, but Shen Wei wants to know whether Zhao Yunlan will run off to heterosexually make baby snakes with Zhu Hong; Zhao Yunlan says he won't, and then they're interrupted by the Hallows vision.
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Oh, in that case it probably wasn't me! Whoops;; But if native speakers have a similar reading to mine, that's very reassuring.
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LOL, nicely said! :)
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I generally read them as not together yet by that point, but the more nuanced translation makes a scenario where they are but it's still Complicated more interesting to me too.
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I was once tempted to put it in the subs as 'I was last in line when love was handed out' but wondered if that was too 'Western'. Might go for it, though, since that's the only not-so-serious way of saying is I can think of.
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The bit where the Envoy says that "Peace didn't come easy" might've actually even happened; the follow-ups of "So the centipede keeps on struggling even after it's dead" and then making references to Ye Zun and saying he must "nip evil in the bud" (by ... giving Zhu Jiu a dramatic scar across the cheek) are at the very least edited. Or some-years-back Shen Wei was being really strict as the Envoy, but that still doesn't make sense of the whole "nip evil in the bud" by slashing the cheek thing.
I need to watch that again, that scene never made sense to me! I mean, what had the guy even done. And what's the purpose of that scar? It would make a lot of sense if this was crazy editing after the fact - not that we don't still have to find a way to fit it into canon... Maybe bad choices made at the start of Envoy-ing, like you suggest.
Shen Wei looks so happy when Zhao Yunlan seems fine! ;_;
I remember that thing about Zhao Yunlan and his comment about love. It seemed pretty convincing to me! That pic from the taxi scene is awesome!
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He does! He's an adorable danger specter with cute teeth.
Shen Wei did see an ex-palace guard murder the head of the palace guards, so yeah, it does make sense that he'd do something, but ... the dramatic scar was kinda pointless. Especially since he didn't even imprison Zhu Jiu.
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Ohh, excellent point! I missed that.