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Slo-Mo Rewatch: Guardian episode 3, part 1
Hi, and welcome back to the Guardian drama Slo-Mo Rewatch. Watch half an episode a week, at your leisure, and then come and chat about it here in comments. Or you can just jump into the comments without rewatching, of course!
Here are the previous weeks' rewatch posts.
Episode 3, up to 23:25
Summary
Shen Wei talks to Teacher Zhang Ruonan, who's nervous and off her game lately. At the SID, Zhao Yunlan is sneezing everywhere and also the only one who can make the Dial react. Their latest murder victim is a student who looks like an old man. Zhao Yunlan sneezes all over Shen Wei's office and eats his cake; Shen Wei is unimpressed. Teacher Zhang comes in, and Zhao Yunlan introduces himself as "Professor Shen's............. good friend." Zhao Yunlan and Xiao Guo go to the hospital for cold medicine and see Wang Yike. Lao Chu interviews the murder victim's roommate and then leaves him for Da Qing to tail, but Da Qing falls asleep on his stakeout. Zhao Yunlan has the first of many late-night visits to Shen Wei's office. ♥! The roommate is also murdered, and Xiao Guo faints at the crime scene. Zhao Yunlan sees Teacher Zhang among the onlookers, follows her, and connects her with Wang Yike and the murder victims. Teacher Zhang explains her backstory. Zhao Yunlan leaves her in the care of the class rep.
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SW: It's really a coincidence this time.
Detail
I never noticed before that at the very start of the episode Shen Wei is studying the SID file. He puts it away and picks up some other papers as Teacher Zhang comes in.
Questions
Do you have a favourite scene or quote from the first half of episode 3? Is Zhao Yunlan's sneezing purely Hallows-related, or does he actually have a cold (perhaps due to a Hallows-weakened immune system)? Does Shen Wei seem grumpy to you, and if so, why do you think that is? What's the main reason he hesitates when introducing Zhao Yunlan to Teacher Zhang: because Zhao Yunlan looks so disreputable, because the SID is conducting a covert investigation, because publicly associating with the SID is bad for his career, because he genuinely doesn't have a word to describe his relationship with Zhao Yunlan, or some other reason? And what does Xiao Guo think is going on with the introduction? What's the most suspicious thing about Wang Yike at the hospital? How much do you blame Da Qing for falling asleep on his stakeout? What is Shen Wei referring to when he says, "Many tragedies were destined from the beginning"?
If you're familiar with the novel, any thoughts about how the drama adaptation compares?
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(For anyone who doesn't mind bts/actor stuff: one of my favorite tumblr posts about the cake scene, suggestive/bordering on nsfw (insofar as eating can be nsfw) because of the way Bai Yu eats cream. ;D)
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LOL!! YESSS! :D :D :D
Also, THE EYE CONTACT!!
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One of my favorite tumblr tags: "shen wei: if i look innocent enough dirty thoughts can't touch me" ;D
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Thank you for the link! And looking forward to your rewatch thoughts, cake-related and otherwise. :D
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(But also, cover your dang nose and mouth when you sneeze and cough, I know it's to show some characterization BUT STILL. Also, as per the episode watch question, I have no idea how the cold is supposed to be related to anything other than the fact it's obviously a plot point choice and not that the actor is sick or something.)
Shen Wei jumping to Zhang Laoshi's defense makes sense on some level but still... he has no way to actually know she's not involved in any way and she has been acting squirrely. The whole interaction there actually feels a little odd to me. Trying to lie about who ZYL is was bound to fail considering ZYL was actively investigating a case involving one of her (former) students and just how often he's been on campus in an official capacity lately, so why do it?
I love the look of surprised respect ZYL gives Xiao Guo when he asks the student they were interviewing a good question.
Shen Wei's "Many tragedies were destined from the beginning" (said while first staring off into the distance and then sharply gazing at ZYL) is great for the different layers to it. We don't know how ZYL interprets it but I doubt Shen Wei meant it to only refer to the current (or former) case.
Da Qing is the deputy director of SID so really should know/be better, but it is such a cat-like thing to fall asleep in random places, especially when/where you aren't supposed to.
And... Xiao Guo faints at another crime scene. Just when he was starting to seem competent at the job!
There isn't a lot to really dive into in this half ep. ZYL is being slightly more of a disaster than usual but only slightly and the case is only just being introduced.
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I think after the Li Qian situation, Shen Wei is very aware of ZYL's negative assumptions, and consequently feels protective of the people around him, especially women? He feels like ZYL is jumping to conclusions about everyone he knows, maybe?
I love the look of surprised respect ZYL gives Xiao Guo when he asks the student they were interviewing a good question.
Yes, that's so good! :D
Shen Wei's "Many tragedies were destined from the beginning" (said while first staring off into the distance and then sharply gazing at ZYL) is great for the different layers to it. We don't know how ZYL interprets it but I doubt Shen Wei meant it to only refer to the current (or former) case.
Agreed! I just don't really understand what tragedy he's referring to. Maybe the heartache of ZYL not recognising him??
but it is such a cat-like thing to fall asleep in random places, especially when/where you aren't supposed to.
I know! I think ZYL has to take responsibility, really, for assigning him the task.
ZYL is being slightly more of a disaster than usual but only slightly
Ha, yes. I guess he's feeling under the weather, so that's some excuse. ;D
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RIGHT???? That gets me every time!
I have no idea how the cold is supposed to be related to anything other than the fact it's obviously a plot point choice and not that the actor is sick or something.
There's a bit where Zhao Yunlan is fondling the Sundial and then sneezing, which I think is to tie them together - my theory was always that it's the Hallows' deleterious effect on his health.
Shen Wei jumping to Zhang Laoshi's defense makes sense on some level but still... he has no way to actually know she's not involved in any way and she has been acting squirrely.
I think he's trying to defend her from Zhao Yunlan's suspicions because the last time, Zhao Yunlan accused Li Qian of murder and turned out to be wrong.
Trying to lie about who ZYL is was bound to fail considering ZYL was actively investigating a case involving one of her (former) students and just how often he's been on campus in an official capacity lately, so why do it?
I don't think Shen Wei is trying to lie - he's leaving it up to ZYL how to introduce himself. And for ZYL, the university is keeping the murder under wraps at this point, so he's not openly investigating (yet), and choosing not to speak to her in an official capacity (yet).
Shen Wei's "Many tragedies were destined from the beginning" (said while first staring off into the distance and then sharply gazing at ZYL) is great for the different layers to it.
I'm never quite sure what he actually means by it ... Do you have a theory?
Da Qing is the deputy director of SID so really should know/be better, but it is such a cat-like thing to fall asleep in random places, especially when/where you aren't supposed to.
Yeah, everyone should be taking this more seriously! But also, SO very cat.
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Da Qing falling asleep is terribly incompetent!
"It's really a coincidence this time." Does he honestly think anyone would believe that?
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Yes, I think so too! But I also think that even if he did have a way to express it, he wouldn't say it this early, and especially not in front of Teacher Zhang, who isn't directly involved, you know?
Da Qing falling asleep is terribly incompetent!
It really is. Do not assign the cat a stakeout!! /o\
"It's really a coincidence this time." Does he honestly think anyone would believe that?
Except is actually is this time. (Honestly, I just really love the "this time" -- it's so revealing about all the other times. *g*)
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Exactly! Just two words but such meaning behind them 😂 Zhao Yunlan will remember that.
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This is now my favorite way to phrase this. :D :D Yep, ITA, I don't think he can have a word for that, no matter how many years he has spent trying to find one. ♡ (At least not one he can use around everyone, including Zhao Yunlan himself at this point - "love of my life" would probably work otherwise. ;D)
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Oh wow, I love how you put that! ♥ ♥ ♥
"It's really a coincidence this time." Does he honestly think anyone would believe that?
Zhao Yunlan clearly doesn't believe it, but it's actually true. Neither the Li Qian case nor this one have anything to do with Shen Wei; that they're happening in his vicinity and not somewhere else is pure coincidence!
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I never noticed before that at the very start of the episode Shen Wei is studying the SID file. He puts it away and picks up some other papers as Teacher Zhang comes in.
It came up during the last rewatch! But I had completely forgotten about it too.
Do you have a favourite scene or quote from the first half of episode 3?
Shen Wei telling Zhao Yunlan: "I know that making bold assumptions is your style, but can you refrain from targeting innocent people?" It's such a meaty thing to dig into, the contrast between their attitudes!
He must be remembering Zhao Yunlan accusing Li Qian of murder. And this is something that struck me this time especially - Zhao Yunlan immediately suspects everyone he encounters, with sometimes flimsy reasons, because he refuses to believe in coincidences. But the real coincidence is that he just so happens to stumble over the right people! *g*
Like, he immediately suspects Zhang Ruonan from her behaviour in Shen Wei's office, but it's a total coincidence that she happened to stop by just then. And likewise, a complete coincidence that he just so happens to be at the hospital when Wang Yike is there, and that Guo Changcheng just so happens to collide with her. :p
And Zhao Yunlan really thinks it means something that the (first) victim in this case is Shen Wei's student, just like Lu Ruomei, just like Li Qian. He also thinks Shen Wei's cake coming from the dead student's class must mean something, in this context (and acts as if he caught Shen Wei out about it), but it doesn't. Neither murder has anything to do with Shen Wei in either of his identities - there's no connection to him whatsoever except coincidence.
Zhao Yunlan sees a lot of connections that are there, but also a lot that aren't. Whereas Shen Wei knows there's something going on with Zhang Ruonan, but doesn't suspect anything beyond that, and treats everyone as innocent.
Shen Wei gives character references both for Zhang Ruonan and for Liu Yadong - and one of them is wrong, but he has no evidence of that, and I don't think he can be blamed for not jumping to suspicion. I don't think that means Zhao Yunlan is right and Shen Wei doesn't understand people. I think it means Shen Wei is willing to take people at face value until he has reasons for suspicion, and that that's something he's deliberately cultivating in himself - the assumption of innocence - because of the vast power he wields as the Envoy.
Is Zhao Yunlan's sneezing purely Hallows-related, or does he actually have a cold (perhaps due to a Hallows-weakened immune system)?
I always thought it was a Hallows-weakened immune system - early stages of black energy corruption.
(I'd forgotten there was a scene in this episode where Zhao Yunlan fondles the Sundial and then immediately sneezes, tying the two together!)
Does Shen Wei seem grumpy to you, and if so, why do you think that is?
I think a lot of it is about Zhao Yunlan's overactive suspicion.
What's the main reason he hesitates when introducing Zhao Yunlan to Teacher Zhang: because Zhao Yunlan looks so disreputable, because the SID is conducting a covert investigation, because publicly associating with the SID is bad for his career, because he genuinely doesn't have a word to describe his relationship with Zhao Yunlan, or some other reason?
I think it's multiple things - he doesn't quite know what to call Zhao Yunlan at this point, since they're not actually friends yet, but also, he doesn't know (with the case being kept under wraps) if Zhao Yunlan wants to be outed as a SID officer to someone who doesn't already know. So he lets Zhao Yunlan decide how to introduce himself.
And what does Xiao Guo think is going on with the introduction?
I think from Xiao-Guo's perspective, Zhao Yunlan has been so outrageous and OTT from the start, this doesn't even register on the "unusual" scale. *g*
What's the most suspicious thing about Wang Yike at the hospital?
Honestly, the only suspicious thing I see at all is how spooked she seems.
How much do you blame Da Qing for falling asleep on his stakeout?
A lot more than the episode does. It always bugs me that it doesn't take it more seriously that Da Qing's inattention got someone killed.
What is Shen Wei referring to when he says, "Many tragedies were destined from the beginning"?
He says it in the context of hurt and disappointment about people. I wonder if it's about Ye Zun? (I assume he doesn't actually know why Ye Zun turned out the way he did.) But I can't quite make it come together.
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find Shen Weifind out who the third student involved is. Zhang Ruonan doesn't say that it's Liu Yadong - I wonder what would have happened if she had? But he must know that she won't; he doesn't seem to be worried about that at all.no subject
> Zhao Yunlan sneezing over everyone and everything without so much as a hand in front of his mouth makes me want to hit him and force-fit him with a mask, every time! :p
Same 😂
> I love the little bit of teasing between Zhao Yunlan and Lin Jing in the lab, where Lin Jing mocks Zhao Yunlan's self-important speech about being the Lord Guardian. That false smile! Hee!
YES, it makes me laugh every time! I like that it develops the relationships within SID more. It's also such a human thing to do, feels very siblings-like.
> I'd forgotten Zhu Hong's quip about the library just being for decoration. I wonder how it was established. Did they just shove all the books left behind from the previous SID team in there? Has anyone read any of these books before Sang Zan joins them? *g*
I watched that scene frame by frame, looked a bit closer at the books on the shelves, and choked with laughter. I imagine most of them (all of them?) are fake set decorations but it makes me laugh imagining the reason why SID would have two (2) copies of a Polish book about a random Polish village in the context of the country's history. Zhu Hong saying "The library has always been just decoration" after that was priceless and felt very on-the-nose 😂 Sang Zan the multilingual star student confirmed!
> Shen Wei says he doesn't usually eat sweet things. Option A: he doesn't like sweet things, but of course That Lollipop 10,000 Years Ago™ is an exception. Option B: he does in theory like sweet things, but none of them can compare to That Lollipop, so he doesn't bother. *g*
!!! There were such good tags under this gifset on tumblr of this exact thing, the creator wrote "#sw already had the sweetest so what comes after would mean so little to him #other sweets don't interest him #or that he doesn't want to forget the sweetness he experienced the very first time in his life :)" and I really enjoy that theory - Shen Wei staying away from sweetness to preserve the association with Kunlun. It would mean that all this time he's been accepting and experiencing every other flavour Kunlun promised him - the bitter, the sour, etc. (It also makes me go a little bit insane when I think of this - Shen Wei straying from sweets to preserve the memory - and then see Zhao Yunlan parading with the very same lollipops right under Shen Wei's nose, sometimes outright dangling them in front of him like the most torturous temptation :'D)
> Shen Wei gives Zhao Yunlan the brush-off a bit when he turns up at night - I like that.
I haven't realised before, but I like it, too. I'm trying to imagine someone glowering at me, all suspicious of me, while I'm just trying to do my job, and I get it, Shen Wei ahsdjfkg. Also Shen Wei's office has windows on two walls, I think the office is surrounded by halls so all windows open into hallways(?). That'd be so distracting!
> Was Wang Yike going to attack Liu Yadong out in the open like this, in plain sight?
It would have been really daring to do it right next to a currently-investigated crime scene!
> I always twitch so much at Liu Yadong's fake-solicitous behaviour towards Zhang Ruonan
YES. Liu Yadong being all "Yes, tell the officers everything that happened!". Please stop c': Don't touch her *screams*
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Oh wow, yes, that's an excellent point! I hadn't thought of it that way, but OMG. ♥ ♥ ♥
I like that it develops the relationships within SID more.
Yes! The SID team dynamics are such fun, and I love these little moments that make the characters and their world that much more real. :D
I watched that scene frame by frame, looked a bit closer at the books on the shelves, and choked with laughter. I imagine most of them (all of them?) are fake set decorations but it makes me laugh imagining the reason why SID would have two (2) copies of a Polish book about a random Polish village in the context of the country's history. Zhu Hong saying "The library has always been just decoration" after that was priceless and felt very on-the-nose 😂 Sang Zan the multilingual star student confirmed!
OMG, that is delightful. I knew there are some very weird books on the shelves in various places - ad you say, set decoration - but I hadn't looked closely at the SID library. Zhu Hong's quip is that much more hilarious in that context! Priceless indeed. :D
!!! There were such good tags under this gifset on tumblr of this exact thing, the creator wrote "#sw already had the sweetest so what comes after would mean so little to him #other sweets don't interest him #or that he doesn't want to forget the sweetness he experienced the very first time in his life :)"
OHHHHH thank you for sharing, that is lovely!
Also Shen Wei's office has windows on two walls, I think the office is surrounded by halls so all windows open into hallways(?). That'd be so distracting!
I thought one side led to the outside? Clearly I need to pay more attention to this in the future!
Don't touch her *screams*
RIGHT?????
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Ooh, that's true! Great point -- they have very different attitudes at this point in their "first" meeting. Though, also, ZYL did save SW's and probably his men's lives. I think that significantly factored into SW's trust?
There were such good tags under this gifset on tumblr of this exact thing
Ahh, those are wonderful!! Thanks so much for that! :D
It also makes me go a little bit insane when I think of this - Shen Wei straying from sweets to preserve the memory - and then see Zhao Yunlan parading with the very same lollipops right under Shen Wei's nose, sometimes outright dangling them in front of him like the most torturous temptation :'D
Ha, yes! AFTER ALL THIS TIME! I guess that also helps to hold the promise of ZYL becoming better (becoming Kunlun), even when ZYL is behaving like a ratbag right now.
Please stop c': Don't touch her *screams*
I KNOW!!! *stabs him*
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Ha, there's no way I'm going to notice things in every episode that no one has remarked on before. That's too high a bar! ;-p
And that's a great point about the difference between SW and ZYL's attitudes to people! ZYL thinks his cynicism makes him sharper and more perceptive, and he judges SW for being accepting. They're both judging each other. No wonder SW is finding this hard, after Kunlun's fathomless acceptance. :-(
Like, he immediately suspects Zhang Ruonan from her behaviour in Shen Wei's office
Do you think he suspects her of involvement in the case, at that point? I thought he just (rightly) thought something was up with her.
He also thinks Shen Wei's cake coming from the dead student's class must mean something, in this context (and acts as if he caught Shen Wei out about it)
That was just "you said you don't know them, but you know them well enough that they gave you cake", right? (The cake is so sinister when you have more context. /o\)
Whereas Shen Wei knows there's something going on with Zhang Ruonan, but doesn't suspect anything beyond that, and treats everyone as innocent.
Which sometimes makes him feel too detached, to me. Like, when Zhang Ruonan says, "However, good intentions might not always be rewarded," clearly speaking about herself, and SW answers, "It's enough as long as my conscience is clear," making it about him. Idk.
I think it means Shen Wei is willing to take people at face value until he has reasons for suspicion, and that that's something he's deliberately cultivating in himself - the assumption of innocence - because of the vast power he wields as the Envoy.
And something he works to cultivate in ZYL, who wields the power of the SID and, by extension, the Haixing government.
I think it's multiple things - he doesn't quite know what to call Zhao Yunlan at this point, since they're not actually friends yet, but also, he doesn't know (with the case being kept under wraps) if Zhao Yunlan wants to be outed as a SID officer to someone who doesn't already know. So he lets Zhao Yunlan decide how to introduce himself.
I think that's a great way of summing it up. <3
I think from Xiao-Guo's perspective, Zhao Yunlan has been so outrageous and OTT from the start, this doesn't even register on the "unusual" scale. *g*
LOL!!
It always bugs me that it doesn't take it more seriously that Da Qing's inattention got someone killed.
Do you think he'd have been able to stop Wang Yike, though? Or would he just have become collateral damage?
Option B: he does in theory like sweet things, but none of them can compare to That Lollipop, so he doesn't bother. *g*
Ahhh, I love that! :-)
The side-eye Shen Wei gives Zhao Yunlan when he calls himself Professor Shen's good friend!
Riiiiiiiiight?!?!
When Zhang Ruonan hears about Zhang Hao's death and runs off, she's running to Wang Yike, isn't she? She didn't know before, but she caught on right away.
I think so, yes. So she does actually know something, and I think ZYL picks up on that (even if you're right, he's picking up on everything, whether it's relevant or not.
Shen Wei gives Zhao Yunlan the brush-off a bit when he turns up at night - I like that.
I'm really looking forward to seeing how we get from this to the "what's important between friends is intimacy" convo in the next ep! That's quite a shift, and I've forgotten what turns things around. (Don't tell me! Spoilers! LOL.)
Was Wang Yike going to attack Liu Yadong out in the open like this, in plain sight?
I think so. I think she's given up caring about anything except revenge (and if she found the other two together, that might have been enough to drive her to recklessness).
I always twitch so much at Liu Yadong's fake-solicitous behaviour towards Zhang Ruonan, and at Zhao Yunlan leaving her in his "care"
I KNOW! /o\ /o\ /o\ I think ZYL is relying on SW's character reference, despite having questioned his perceptiveness. Plus they're on campus in broad daylight -- that helps a bit?
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LOL! But I keep being amazed that there's still new stuff to discover basically every week. This show!!!! :D
ZYL thinks his cynicism makes him sharper and more perceptive, and he judges SW for being accepting. They're both judging each other. No wonder SW is finding this hard, after Kunlun's fathomless acceptance. :-(
Oh, yes, excellent point!
Like, he immediately suspects Zhang Ruonan from her behaviour in Shen Wei's office
Do you think he suspects her of involvement in the case, at that point? I thought he just (rightly) thought something was up with her.
Like you say further down, her reaction to Zhang Hao's name suggests something more. But I think he also thinks her turning up in Shen Wei's office means something, and it doesn't really (in the sense of being case-related).
That was just "you said you don't know them, but you know them well enough that they gave you cake", right?
He thinks that's more of a contradiction than it actually has to be, definitely.
The cake is so sinister when you have more context. /o\
Seriously!!!! :( :( :(
Which sometimes makes him feel too detached, to me. Like, when Zhang Ruonan says, "However, good intentions might not always be rewarded," clearly speaking about herself, and SW answers, "It's enough as long as my conscience is clear," making it about him. Idk.
That's a translation issue - here's no "my" (or any pronoun) in the Chinese. It could just as easily be translated as "as long as your conscience is clear". I think he's trying to reassure her that her good intentions still matter even if things don't turn out well.
And something he works to cultivate in ZYL, who wields the power of the SID and, by extension, the Haixing government.
Yes! I love that so much.
Do you think he'd have been able to stop Wang Yike, though? Or would he just have become collateral damage?
I don't know, but they don't know how dangerous Wang Yike's power is at this point either, so even if Da Qing might not have been able to do anything, he should still be blaming himself for not being there to try. *grumbles*
(Don't tell me! Spoilers! LOL.)
LOLOLOL! :D
and if she found the other two together, that might have been enough to drive her to recklessness
Yeah, true. Can't blame her for that, tbh.
I think ZYL is relying on SW's character reference, despite having questioned his perceptiveness. Plus they're on campus in broad daylight -- that helps a bit?
Yeah, I guess that makes some sense.
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1. Shen Wei hiding those pages immediately sets up the theme of the episode: secrets. (I know that's kind of a universal theme, but still.)
2. I wonder if Zhang Ruonan is projecting when she enquires about how Li Qian is doing after the attack. (And how much does anyone know about what happened, anyway? What's the official line on what the attack was??)
3. I suppose Zhao Yunlan can't really stay home, because it's a major case, but omg, stop sneezing on everyone. (I kind of love that everyone else adopts masks. ;-p)
4. I took sooo many screencaps of the cake theft. I may have to declare that my favourite scene, along with all the times ZYL touches his mouth (also led to a ton of screencaps). ;-D
5. ZYL telling CSZ to win his interview subject over with kindness, lol. Pot/kettle! And then CSZ is so stone-faced when he shows his badge, lol.
6. I kind of adore ZYL saying, "Don't make me skin you alive," to GCC -- that's real acceptance. *g*
7. Wang Yike's hair is unevenly cut -- I guess she has to do it herself.
8. I will always love CSZ sitting sideways in his chair.
9. Shen Wei: Chief Zhao, I have the duty to offer up clues. But you coming to disturb me at work repeatedly is making things difficult for me.
I find this so interesting. SW isn't welcoming in this episode. He doesn't like ZYL's suspicions or his failure to take care of himself, and I think he's finding the differences from Kunlun really jarring. This line also makes me wonder if the university has send out a warning to staff telling them to hush these matters up. SW must be aware he has a lot to hide.
(And if the university did contact staff about it all, how does that make Zhang Ruonan feel?)
10. Anyway, I really like ZYL's response: "Aren't we also afraid of another student getting killed?" Because yes, priorities!
11. Da Qing gets a D- in stakeouts, no fish for him! (Oh, and now I'm thinking ZYL sent Da Qing because he's experience and, just as importantly, discreet -- he either looks like a cat or a student. Shame that backfired.)
12. The whole bit with Zhu Hong bullying Zhao Yunlan into taking his medicine, and him smiling up at her -- no wonder she doesn't realise her crush is hopeless!
What's the most suspicious thing about Wang Yike at the hospital?
Her flustered manner, the gloves, and the way she's carefully not touching anyone with her non-gloved hand.
What is Shen Wei referring to when he says, "Many tragedies were destined from the beginning"?
I'm relying on Google Translate, but looking at the Chinese subs, the elements of the sentence actually go "Many tragedies from the beginning... are already destined." And he looks at ZYL just for the "destined" part.
I think he's feeling a bit gloomy and like the important events of his life are out of his hands... which is currently fair enough!
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Very good question! I don't have a good theory, tbh.
along with all the times ZYL touches his mouth (also led to a ton of screencaps
Hee! Yes! :D :D :D
Wang Yike's hair is unevenly cut -- I guess she has to do it herself.
Oh, ouch, I hadn't noticed that! Poor Wang Yike.
Anyway, I really like ZYL's response: "Aren't we also afraid of another student getting killed?" Because yes, priorities!
Yes, he's not wrong, but also, he's kind of just decided Shen Wei has answers, and he actually doesn't know anything about the case. So from Shen Wei's POV, bothering him in his office isn't actually helpful for the investigation and won't stop another student from being killed.
Oh, and now I'm thinking ZYL sent Da Qing because he's experience and, just as importantly, discreet -- he either looks like a cat or a student. Shame that backfired.
Yeah, agreed. And I don't think later-episode Da Qing would have failed like this, cat or no. The team really isn't used to more serious cases yet.
I'm relying on Google Translate, but looking at the Chinese subs, the elements of the sentence actually go "Many tragedies from the beginning... are already destined."
Yes, that's the order it goes in Chinese. And you're right that he looks at ZYL at the end. I just can't put together "tragedy" with anything about ZYL. A tragedy implies an ending, and he and ZYL aren't at an ending, and aren't headed for a tragic ending (as far as he knows). So I keep feeling like I'm missing something here.
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but also, he's kind of just decided Shen Wei has answers, and he actually doesn't know anything about the case. So from Shen Wei's POV, bothering him in his office isn't actually helpful for the investigation and won't stop another student from being killed.
Ha, true. At least ZYL is approaching him as a witness and not a suspect at this stage? /glass half-full
I just can't put together "tragedy" with anything about ZYL. A tragedy implies an ending, and he and ZYL aren't at an ending
Maybe Shen Wei is thinking of his separation from Kunlun. It might feel like a tragedy, especially with how unsatisfying the reunion is proving to be at this point. ;-p And there's that element of destiny, with the Hallows snatching Kunlun away back then. (Oh, now I'm wondering if it's a red herring meant to imply YOHE is more tragic than it actually is?)
But I know what you mean about it being hard to pin down.
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As always, some out-of-order notes. :D
- Shen Wei who doesn't eat sweets always hits me in the feels because nothing compares to that one lollipop, why would he even try. ♡♡♡ (I wonder if he kept trying at the beginning, but probably not - he probably just decided right away that it's not worth it. Though I feel like he must have tried at least once, when he found these specific lollipops. :D)
- I'm always so curious about Xiao Guo's monster drawings in his notebook? Like, what are they, and why? Also he seems to be better at drawing than Zhao Yunlan. :D
- Zhao Yunlan let Xiao Guo get the medicine for him after all. :D :D
- Xiao Guo flinching when Zhao Yunlan sneezes! :D (Especially really subtly in the background when he sneezes at the fish tank. :D) His body language is always so much fun!
- Lao Li's unimpressed face is adorable, and also I want to see Lin Jing handing the Dial to everyone at the SID!! :D Lin Jing teasing Zhao Yunlan is wonderful too. :D :D
- I love the silent part of the medicine-drinking scene - Zhao Yunlan going nope, Zhu Hong glaring, Zhao Yunlan drinking, Lin Jing wincing and shuddering. :D It's less than 10 seconds and it's so expressive!! :D
- Zhao Yunlan's shirt when they find the second dead body is fascinating and distracting to me, it's not the type of clothes he usually wears. :D
- When Zhang Ruonan tells Shen Wei that students like him but good intentions may not be enough, I wonder if she is worried that something could happen to Shen Wei too because he's too nice, or if she just took this as an opportunity to hint at what happened to her because she can't hold it in anymore. Either way, OUCH.
- Btw it always looks to me like the students weren't the ones who attacked her - they just laughed at her for being gullible and left, and then someone else attacked her. (It even looks like she still waited for a long time after they left, because all the passersby gradually disappear.) I remember it was a conversation during the previous rewatch, but that was my first watch and at that point I was confused about a lot more things than just that. It seems to me that they had no idea what was going to happen to her, other than a general 'it's dangerous to be left alone at night' thing, but I can obviously see where other interpretations come from too.
"I never noticed before that at the very start of the episode Shen Wei is studying the SID file. He puts it away and picks up some other papers as Teacher Zhang comes in."
Ohhh, thank you for pointing it out - I noticed that he intentionally puts something away and switches to something else, but I had no idea what he was reading!
"Do you have a favourite scene or quote from the first half of episode 3?"
ZHAO YUNLAN EATING CAKE, obviously. :D ♡___♡ I have so much love for this scene in so many ways. :D :D
"Is Zhao Yunlan's sneezing purely Hallows-related, or does he actually have a cold (perhaps due to a Hallows-weakened immune system)?"
I think it's definitely Hallows-related one way or another - even if it's a cold, it's not just regular one.
"Does Shen Wei seem grumpy to you, and if so, why do you think that is?"
Not really, not after he hides the papers in the first scene at least. (At the end of the cake scene he would seem grumpy, but the moment Zhao Yunlan leaves his office, Shen Wei does the cutest little
heart-eyesfrown, so I'm assuming it was all an act and he's far more concerned than grumpy.)"What's the main reason he hesitates when introducing Zhao Yunlan to Teacher Zhang: because Zhao Yunlan looks so disreputable, because the SID is conducting a covert investigation, because publicly associating with the SID is bad for his career, because he genuinely doesn't have a word to describe his relationship with Zhao Yunlan, or some other reason?"
I definitely think that he doesn't have a word for that, but now that I rewatched, this got weirder to me - Shen Wei asks her to stay in the room when she starts to leave, and then he doesn't know what to say? Which is obviously possible because he did it on a whim and has to improvise, but now it looks to me like he's not actually hesitating, he's inviting Zhao Yunlan to... Play along? Talk about something else than what they were talking about? Idk. Like, if he had an actual problem introducing Zhao Yunlan for any reason, he would've been glad that Teacher Zhang was leaving the room so fast, he wouldn't have asked her to stay.
And then Zhao Yunlan's hesitation is basically straight from the novel, which I love. :D
(He slung an arm around Shen Wei’s shoulder and winked at her. “Not at all. Do you know what kind of relationship we have?”
“Don’t mess—” Shen Wei began.
“Neighbors!” Zhao Yunlan smirked, not letting him go. “Remember this, students. In the future, when you go out into the world, you can’t count on distant relatives the way you can count on close neighbors. If you get along, neighbors can be closer than family. Right, Shen-laoshi?”)
"And what does Xiao Guo think is going on with the introduction?"
Xiao Guo seems busy feeling awkward about Zhang Ruonan feeling awkward, lol. :D
"What's the most suspicious thing about Wang Yike at the hospital?"
She's not particularly suspicious to me at that point, she's just terrified. (I'm not sure what Zhao Yunlan is trying to say btw - what does he think she would do to Xiao Guo because he's an easy mark? Accuse him of bumping into her on purpose?)
"How much do you blame Da Qing for falling asleep on his stakeout?"
He's a cat, lol. I'm not particularly bothered, and I don't think anyone should be blamed per se. (But if anything, he'd share the blame with Zhao Yunlan, who told CSZ to leave it to Da Qing.)
"What is Shen Wei referring to when he says, "Many tragedies were destined from the beginning"?"
I always thought it was about Kunlun being 'destined' to leave him the first time around, but now I'm wondering if it could be another thing that is slightly out of order and/or another nod to the novel (either something from the time when Shen Wei already knows that things may not go well in the present, or a red herring hinting at some ancient forces keeping them apart).
"If you're familiar with the novel, any thoughts about how the drama adaptation compares?"
Other than the 'good friend' scene, it's interesting to me how little of the novel was in this episode so far! (Which makes me think even more than the line about tragedies could be a novel reference.)
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nothing compares to that one lollipop, why would he even try. ♡♡♡
Right??? He probably did buy a lollipop when he came across them the first time in modern Haixing, found it disappointing because it didn't come with a Kunlun, and decided not to bother any more. ♥ ♥ ♥
I'm always so curious about Xiao Guo's monster drawings in his notebook? Like, what are they, and why?
The one on the top left is perhaps meant to be the Shadow Man's claw? The top right ZYL suggests is meant to be Da Qing, LOL. I wonder what the diagram on the bottom left is?? I think the thing at the bottom right is meant to be the Sundial, opening (like this) but I can't help it, it looks like a toilet. :p OMG, I never noticed that before.
Anyway, I wish I could read more than a few characters of the handwriting! Running it through OCR, it seems to talk about aliens and similar stuff to what's in the prologue? I wish we had someone here who's not so totally lost when it comes to Chinese handwriting ...
Lao Li's unimpressed face is adorable, and also I want to see Lin Jing handing the Dial to everyone at the SID!! :D Lin Jing teasing Zhao Yunlan is wonderful too. :D :D
Yeah, that was surprisingly fun, for such a small scene! It would be very cool to see all the tests. :D
Zhao Yunlan's shirt when they find the second dead body is fascinating and distracting to me, it's not the type of clothes he usually wears. :D
I can't say that I ever noticed his shirt, so I had to go and check what you meant! - Oh, it's the one with the weird buttons. Yeah, that doesn't look like his usual style; possibly nothing else was clean that day? *g*
I wonder if she is worried that something could happen to Shen Wei too because he's too nice
Oh, ouch, that didn't even occur to me! I did think she was hinting at what happened to her because she was trying to nerve herself up to talking to him about it, but then couldn't make herself after all. Poor Zhang Ruonan.
Btw it always looks to me like the students weren't the ones who attacked her - they just laughed at her for being gullible and left, and then someone else attacked her.
I remmember that was
If we do assume they're not the rapists, how do they know what happened to her - or that something happened? Why do they assume they're being murdered because of Zhang Ruonan? If they weren't actually guilty of anything other than a mean-spirited false invitation, wouldn't they protest their innocence, or say they didn't mean for anything to happen to her? Idk.
ZHAO YUNLAN EATING CAKE, obviously. :D ♡___♡ I have so much love for this scene in so many ways. :D :D
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Shen Wei asks her to stay in the room when she starts to leave, and then he doesn't know what to say?
IMO he does want to introduce ZYL, but leaves it up to ZYL how to introduce himself, since ZYL is investigating.
I'm not sure what Zhao Yunlan is trying to say btw - what does he think she would do to Xiao Guo because he's an easy mark? Accuse him of bumping into her on purpose?
Yeah, I think ZYL means that she should be putting the blame on Xiao-Guo and make him apologise even though she's the one who ran into him.
I'm not particularly bothered, and I don't think anyone should be blamed per se.
Really? Someone died on the SID's watch. I think that warrants some blame!
I always thought it was about Kunlun being 'destined' to leave him the first time around, but now I'm wondering if it could be another thing that is slightly out of order and/or another nod to the novel (either something from the time when Shen Wei already knows that things may not go well in the present, or a red herring hinting at some ancient forces keeping them apart).
Oh, that's a good point about the novel - it would make a lot of sense if this is at least in part a red herring about the novel's negative effects of Shen Wei's gui nature on Zhao Yunlan. In the novel, it's a tragedy waiting to happen, which gets averted at the end (this time, unlike with Shen San) - but in the drama it doesn't apply at all.
And, hm, maybe in the drama it is about Kunlun inevitably leaving young!Shen Wei behind, which must have felt like a tragedy back then even with the promise of seeing him again ...
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And shouldn't Wang Yike get into a bit more trouble for, like, murdering them in that case?? ;-p
And, hm, maybe in the drama it is about Kunlun inevitably leaving young!Shen Wei behind, which must have felt like a tragedy back then even with the promise of seeing him again ...
Ooh, I wonder if Shen Wei's tragedy is that he feels destined to be alone?? He lost Ye Zun as a child, then he lost him again as an adult AND lost Kunlun. And that would work well as an arc culminating in the ending, where even after he's eaten, there are people there, apologising to him and helping him, and even in the afterlife, we see him with Ye Zun and Zhao Yunlan. \o?
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Also he seems to be better at drawing than Zhao Yunlan. :D
Aw, no! ZYL's doodles are perfectly recognisable! GCC's Da Qing looks like a gremlin. *g*
Xiao Guo flinching when Zhao Yunlan sneezes! :D
Haha, yessss! I remember noticing that in the last rewatch, but I forgot to pay attention this time. You saying it made me go back and look again... which incidentally led to two screencaps of ZYL's (differently) rucked-up t-shirt, and one of him touching his lips, so thank you, lol. ;D
Also, it made me wonder how much ZYL's ongoing suspicion is about SW's ongoing failure to react to unnatural murders with appropriate levels of shock and horror. SW frowns over the photos, but he's not frightened or alarmed or amazed.
Zhao Yunlan's shirt when they find the second dead body is fascinating and distracting to me, it's not the type of clothes he usually wears. :D
I know, right? I did a poll on that, a few years ago, and learned a lot from the comments. :D
or if she just took this as an opportunity to hint at what happened to her because she can't hold it in anymore.
I assumed that, fwiw. I think she wants to tell someone.
I noticed that he intentionally puts something away and switches to something else, but I had no idea what he was reading!
I think he's looking at Zhu Hong's details, but I'm not 100% sure. (It would explain the interrogation scene next episode, anyway. :D)
ZHAO YUNLAN EATING CAKE, obviously. :D ♡___♡ I have so much love for this scene in so many ways. :D :D
Yesssss! (Argh, I am resisting so hard posting more screencaps. ;-p)
And then Zhao Yunlan's hesitation is basically straight from the novel, which I love. :D
Ha, true. Though in some ways, "good friend" is a lot more suggestive than "neighbour." *sends the drama writers a gift basket* ;D
Xiao Guo seems busy feeling awkward about Zhang Ruonan feeling awkward, lol. :D
LOL! *pets him*
I always thought it was about Kunlun being 'destined' to leave him the first time around, but now I'm wondering if it could be another thing that is slightly out of order and/or another nod to the novel
Now that you've said that, I think it's both. I think the tragedy Shen Wei is referring to is his belief that he's destined to be alone -- which, yes, is from the novel and also from YOHE, where he lost Ye Zun (twice) and Kunlun. And now he's here with a version of Kunlun he doesn't feel close to and can't confide in, oh no! (So thank you!! I'm so happy to have a coherent theory for that line! *g*) <3
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