He's mostly just asking so he can call Shen Wei "Shen Wei", isn't he?
Yes, that's what I assumed! :D
I assume he's forgotten his birth name, or wouldn't he have told Kunlun? After all, Kunlun did say (something like), "Your parents didn't call you Hei Pao Shi, right?"
Yes, good point! I guess both he and Ye Zun really only remembered childhood nicknames. :(
Whatever the YOHE equivalent of Professor of Biological Engineering was? ;-) Maybe he wanted to start a school.
I always thought teaching wasn't something he really thought of until he found himself doing it, and then he realised he loved it. But of course we don't have any canon on that ...
(I don't think him instructing his men, or teaching other Dixingren to use their powers, would have been the same thing. For one, he'd still have been the Envoy to them, with all the distance and reverence and mythologising that entails, rather than simply their teacher ...)
Though we don't really see that, so maybe not? Narratively speaking, the mind control seems like a bit of an afterthought, really. It doesn't have any implications for the way they fight, for example.
Yeah, true, they could have done a lot more with that if they'd been able to give YOHE a bit more space!
Do you think Ye Zun is ambitious at this stage? I think he's grasping for a way out from under the leader's boot, but I'm not sure I'd term that ambition exactly.
I based it on the rebel chief saying Ye Zun always had these grand ideas, and I feel he has this drive to achieve his goals (even with his revenge against his brother) that I would call ambition.
Oh, interesting! You think it might be a deliberate trap? He does seem super-ambivalent about the leader -- hating him but still serving him, taught that he's beholden to him but also so badly abused.
I'm not sure about "trap" - it seems to me like it's something he thinks of in the moment, when he's being pushed and derided for having no useful ideas - but yeah, I think he's deliberately offering an idea he thinks might hurt the rebel chief.
I wonder how much his illness is the reason he hasn't run away (or maybe he's tried to and been brought back /o\).
I think he probably tried, early on? But his illness is definitely one of the things keeping him from being able to get away. :(
Yeah, I think it's so telling that his hatred is intense enough to break through the mind control -- and it provides an interesting comparison with ep 39, where Changcheng's love for the SID and Chu Shuzhi helps him break out of Ye Zun's mind control.
Oooh, I hadn't thought of it that way, but yeah, that's a fascinating parallel/contrast!
I wonder if this has made the Envoy less intimidating to him -- now he's figured out it's that mouthy kid he threw off a cliff that time. Like, the mask really was a good idea in that regard.
Oh, good thought! Yeah, I could see that.
He really does seem to know in advance. One of the other rebels could easily have told him; the leader wasn't the only one who saw Shen Wei without his mask, right? And that might actually make the rebels even more reconciled to their new leader -- he's the counterpart to the Allied Forces general. Maybe?
I hadn't thought of any of this, but it all makes so much sense! If someone who was there on the cliff told him after he took over (because they couldn't before, when the chief clearly didn't want Ye Zun to know), then the timing works out. And I agree that Ye Zun being the Envoy's counterpart would probably impress the rebels. Also, I guess it depends on how mind-controlled they all were - they may be perfectly happy to follow someone who did what they couldn't and broke free of it. So Ye Zun might not even have to mind-control them all that much himself, at this point?
I can't help feeling that Wang Zheng and Sang Zan's sacrifice has to play into it, too. The situation has crossed over into a deadly conflict for his people in both timezones, and there's no backing away from it.
Yeah, agreed - the situation has changed. But also, he gets so very casual about shooting people, I really wonder what's going on in his head.
Oh! Now I'm wondering when it is he connects the dots between modern-day Ye Zun and the YOHE rebel leader. Do we actually see that realisation hit?) (There are so many things for him to realise, it's hard to keep track of them all. *g*
Hee! When he sees Shen Wei and Ye Zun together (the scene where Ye Zun pretends to cry and beg his brother's forgiveness), he says "he's your brother?" in a tone that (imo) makes it clear he's figured out this is Ye Zun - that could be the moment he realises.
I could go either way on that. He has been around powered people his whole life, and his own power is presumably learning (even if he does it via ingestion), so it seems plausible to me that he's acquired competence and is, to some degree, a savent... or he could have spent a couple of months terrifying his soldiers by getting more and more powerful and lethal.
Yeah, agreed, it could go either way. But I like the idea that even if he has instinctive control over the power he learned from eating the rebel chief, he still needs time to learn to smoothly control black energy in general.
I knooooooooow. I do think Zhao Yunlan is having a lot of feelings about leaving them behind, but his way of expressing those feelings is just NO! STOP IT! *thwacks him* ;-p
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Yes, that's what I assumed! :D
I assume he's forgotten his birth name, or wouldn't he have told Kunlun? After all, Kunlun did say (something like), "Your parents didn't call you Hei Pao Shi, right?"
Yes, good point! I guess both he and Ye Zun really only remembered childhood nicknames. :(
Whatever the YOHE equivalent of Professor of Biological Engineering was? ;-) Maybe he wanted to start a school.
I always thought teaching wasn't something he really thought of until he found himself doing it, and then he realised he loved it. But of course we don't have any canon on that ...
(I don't think him instructing his men, or teaching other Dixingren to use their powers, would have been the same thing. For one, he'd still have been the Envoy to them, with all the distance and reverence and mythologising that entails, rather than simply their teacher ...)
Though we don't really see that, so maybe not? Narratively speaking, the mind control seems like a bit of an afterthought, really. It doesn't have any implications for the way they fight, for example.
Yeah, true, they could have done a lot more with that if they'd been able to give YOHE a bit more space!
Do you think Ye Zun is ambitious at this stage? I think he's grasping for a way out from under the leader's boot, but I'm not sure I'd term that ambition exactly.
I based it on the rebel chief saying Ye Zun always had these grand ideas, and I feel he has this drive to achieve his goals (even with his revenge against his brother) that I would call ambition.
Oh, interesting! You think it might be a deliberate trap? He does seem super-ambivalent about the leader -- hating him but still serving him, taught that he's beholden to him but also so badly abused.
I'm not sure about "trap" - it seems to me like it's something he thinks of in the moment, when he's being pushed and derided for having no useful ideas - but yeah, I think he's deliberately offering an idea he thinks might hurt the rebel chief.
I wonder how much his illness is the reason he hasn't run away (or maybe he's tried to and been brought back /o\).
I think he probably tried, early on? But his illness is definitely one of the things keeping him from being able to get away. :(
Yeah, I think it's so telling that his hatred is intense enough to break through the mind control -- and it provides an interesting comparison with ep 39, where Changcheng's love for the SID and Chu Shuzhi helps him break out of Ye Zun's mind control.
Oooh, I hadn't thought of it that way, but yeah, that's a fascinating parallel/contrast!
I wonder if this has made the Envoy less intimidating to him -- now he's figured out it's that mouthy kid he threw off a cliff that time. Like, the mask really was a good idea in that regard.
Oh, good thought! Yeah, I could see that.
He really does seem to know in advance. One of the other rebels could easily have told him; the leader wasn't the only one who saw Shen Wei without his mask, right? And that might actually make the rebels even more reconciled to their new leader -- he's the counterpart to the Allied Forces general. Maybe?
I hadn't thought of any of this, but it all makes so much sense! If someone who was there on the cliff told him after he took over (because they couldn't before, when the chief clearly didn't want Ye Zun to know), then the timing works out. And I agree that Ye Zun being the Envoy's counterpart would probably impress the rebels. Also, I guess it depends on how mind-controlled they all were - they may be perfectly happy to follow someone who did what they couldn't and broke free of it. So Ye Zun might not even have to mind-control them all that much himself, at this point?
I can't help feeling that Wang Zheng and Sang Zan's sacrifice has to play into it, too. The situation has crossed over into a deadly conflict for his people in both timezones, and there's no backing away from it.
Yeah, agreed - the situation has changed. But also, he gets so very casual about shooting people, I really wonder what's going on in his head.
Oh! Now I'm wondering when it is he connects the dots between modern-day Ye Zun and the YOHE rebel leader. Do we actually see that realisation hit?) (There are so many things for him to realise, it's hard to keep track of them all. *g*
Hee! When he sees Shen Wei and Ye Zun together (the scene where Ye Zun pretends to cry and beg his brother's forgiveness), he says "he's your brother?" in a tone that (imo) makes it clear he's figured out this is Ye Zun - that could be the moment he realises.
I could go either way on that. He has been around powered people his whole life, and his own power is presumably learning (even if he does it via ingestion), so it seems plausible to me that he's acquired competence and is, to some degree, a savent... or he could have spent a couple of months terrifying his soldiers by getting more and more powerful and lethal.
Yeah, agreed, it could go either way. But I like the idea that even if he has instinctive control over the power he learned from eating the rebel chief, he still needs time to learn to smoothly control black energy in general.
I knooooooooow. I do think Zhao Yunlan is having a lot of feelings about leaving them behind, but his way of expressing those feelings is just NO! STOP IT! *thwacks him* ;-p
Right????? *thwacks him as well*