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maggie33 ([personal profile] maggie33) wrote in [community profile] sid_guardian2020-03-27 03:00 pm

Focus on Chu Shuzhi: Regardless of what you do, I’ll support you unconditionally



Chu Shuzhi – the SID’s only field personnel and a huge Black-Cloaked Envoy fanboy. :)

This is his first scene.



Quite an impressive entrance.

I liked him from the start. The first things that caught my attention was his beauty and his fighting style, but most of all his unwavering and intense loyalty to Black-Cloaked Envoy, which is obvious straight away in the 1st episode. After the 1st episode I thought “I like that guy a lot.” After the 2nd episode I was already in love. Mainly because of this scene:



“I will not hesitate to sacrifice my life for the Honorable Envoy.”


And that was it for me. I have a loyalty kink and a thing for people kneeling to show respect and that scene cemented my love for Chu Shuzhi.

This is such a fascinating relationship and it’s not one-sided. Shen Wei uses Chu Shuzhi for a purpose, of course, but he also respects him. Which is confirmed when the first thing Shen Wei does, after realizing that SID knows he’s secret identity, is to apologize to Chu Shuzhi for not telling him earlier.






And coming back to that scene and to the quote from the title of this post.

“Regardless of what you do, I’ll support you unconditionally.”

Which for me begs the question – would he really? If Black-Cloaked Envoy would do something morally questionable or even evil would Chu Shuzhi still support him? Would he even consider something The Envoy does as anything else but just and right? After all when he argues with Zhao Yunlan in episode 32 he says: “Sometimes you need to be ruthless, or you’ll miss the big picture and regret it forever.”


In the 1st episode we are introduced the two of the three most important relationships Chu Shuzhi has in the drama – Guo Changcheng and Black-Cloaked Envoy. The third is Chu Nianzhi. It’s mainly that relationship that informs who Chu Shuzhi is in present time. It gets the spotlight in episodes 32 and 33 when we find out some facts about Chu Shuzhi’s life in Dixing.

But we don’t know much, or rather we don’t know anything at all, about his life in Haixing, after Black-Cloaked Envoy brought him here. I don’t think he had any acquaintances, casual or otherwise, in Haixing, besides the SID people.

“What are pleasantries?” he asks after the dinner with Guo Changcheng’s aunt and uncle. He clearly didn’t have any opportunities, or the need to socialize.


His relationship with Guo Changcheng is another highlight of the drama for me. And the way it changes from this



to this:




From awe laced with a healthy dose of fearful respect on one side, and annoyance and disdain on the other, to partnership where both sides complement each other and work beautifully together.







I made two post with recs for Chu Shuzhi/Guo Changcheng fanworks here and here.

But I would also like to rec these two fics:

Discidium, Reparandam by galaxysoup

This fic has fantastic scenes between Chu Shuzhi and Shen Wei.


For a more concerted victory by china-shop

It’s a wonderful canon divergence AU, where after the last battle Chu Shuzhi travels back in time before the Reunion Festival, and he’s given the opportunity to fix things.


So – these are my thoughts. What is your opinion about Chu Shuzhi? Which of his relationships is the most interesting to you? Recs or links for fics, meta, picspams, fanart, fanvids are very much appreciated, too.
goss: Shaolin with a sword (Shaolin - skillz)

[personal profile] goss 2020-03-27 02:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Chu Shuzhi is SO my type: tall, stoic, competent, LOYAL. He immediately drew my attention when he first appeared on screen. I was kiiinda bummed when I realised he would only be a minor character in the show.

I haven't really delved much into shipping him with Guo Changcheng, but I did enjoy their developing friendship on the show. :)
tiggymalvern: (Brothers (HL) by Jhava)

[personal profile] tiggymalvern 2020-03-27 02:44 pm (UTC)(link)
Chu Shuzhi is my favourite character outside the main pairing. I love his attitide and his history , and of course he looks awesome too :-) Great assessment of him.
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[personal profile] laireshi 2020-03-27 04:26 pm (UTC)(link)
I love his loyalty for Shen Wei so much. So. Much.

Also, wow, the drama ships Guo/Chu almost more than it ships weilan. And I don't particularly ship Guo/Chu myself, but their scenes really want to convert me XD
china_shop: Close-up of Zhao Yunlan grinning (Default)

[personal profile] china_shop 2020-03-29 11:25 pm (UTC)(link)
I love his loyalty for Shen Wei so much. So. Much.

Yes, it's so good -- such a cornerstone of his character. :-)
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[personal profile] extrapenguin 2020-03-27 05:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Chu Shuzhi! Like you, I absolutely loved his introduction and his relationship with Shen Wei. I wish the show had spent more time on it, even if what we got was wonderful.

If Black-Cloaked Envoy would do something morally questionable or even evil would Chu Shuzhi still support him? Would he even consider something The Envoy does as anything else but just and right? After all when he argues with Zhao Yunlan in episode 32 he says: “Sometimes you need to be ruthless, or you’ll miss the big picture and regret it forever.”
This is interesting! I do think that Chu Shuzhi is the most ruthless member of the SID, due to the whole scenario that is Dixing and radicalization in prison, and the Envoy did free him from torment, so the it's hard to come up with something Shen Wei might do that'd leave Chu Shuzhi less of a stan. Murder a bunch of Dixingian minions of Ye Zun's? Eh, their fault for standing against the Envoy. Show mercy on Ye Zun? It's the Envoy's precious little twin brother, of course he should be protected!

WRT his life in Haixing, I think that he's a grump with no social life, and the pre-canon attitudes of Zhao Yunlan et al towards Dixingians prevented him from really fully integrating into the team socially. And given that he's not human and was removed even from Dixing's society for so long, integrating into Haixing society is something he wouldn't even attempt.
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[personal profile] laireshi 2020-03-27 06:15 pm (UTC)(link)
It's the Envoy's precious little twin brother, of course he should be protected!
OH, BUT, Chu Shuzhi's thoughts on the fact that Ye Zun is Shen Wei's little twin brother would be so interesting!
extrapenguin: Man wagging his finger at offscreen while looking at camera (zhao yunlan)

[personal profile] extrapenguin 2020-03-27 06:22 pm (UTC)(link)
IT WOULD. Ngl, I would live for anyone's thoughts on learning about Shen Wei and Ye Zun being twins. Chu Shuzhi's thoughts would be very interesting. Would he pity Shen Wei for the tragically evil didi, or try to effect reconciliation between them? (Can haz the fic?)
laireshi: (Default)

[personal profile] laireshi 2020-03-28 05:10 am (UTC)(link)
Ngl, I would live for anyone's thoughts on learning about Shen Wei and Ye Zun being twins
YEAH, I really waited for some sort of a conversation about it between Shen Wei and Zhao Yunlan after the latter's shocked reaction in the past. And with Chu Shuzhi specifically because of his own brother--I think he might be the only SID member to really understand why Shen Wei would want to forgive Ye Zun.
extrapenguin: Man wagging his finger at offscreen while looking at camera (zhao yunlan)

[personal profile] extrapenguin 2020-03-28 11:16 am (UTC)(link)
Honestly, I'd love an Everyone Reacts: Envoy and Sky Pillar Prisoner Are Twins!!!!1! fic. (I don't think anyone but Zhao Yunlan learned it, even!) I think if Chu Shuzhi learned of it, he might go demand Ye Zun to tell why he hates his big brother, since the Envoy must be the best big brother in the world, and accidentally facilitate reconciliation like that. Or ask Shen Wei what happened. He'd be shocked and sad at Shen Wei's twin being the villain of the year.

Everyone else at the SID is an only child save Sang Zan, I think? So they wouldn't viscerally get the desire to reconcile and forgive.
trobadora: (Guardian - SID team)

[personal profile] trobadora 2020-03-28 12:33 pm (UTC)(link)
Did Sang Zan have a brother? I can't remember, but Ge Lan had an older brother (who was killed by Sang Zan).
extrapenguin: A man raising a glass protector off from above a magic device. (guardian)

[personal profile] extrapenguin 2020-03-28 12:49 pm (UTC)(link)
I think Sang Zan mentioned having a sister? He definitely had a sibling, though I can't recall what sort or whether there were two. Good catch on Wang Zheng also having a sibling.
trobadora: (Guardian - SID team)

[personal profile] trobadora 2020-03-28 01:10 pm (UTC)(link)
Right! I just checked, and he had a brother and a sister, both dead:

"The Patriarch's son flogged my brother to death. My mother is sick. So I'm hunting birds to exchange for medicine for my mother. (…) Moreover, the Patriarch is not human at all. He wanted my sister and forced her to die. My brother went to ask for justice and was killed." (Episode 10, 28:47)

Thanks, I had completely forgotten about that!
laireshi: (Default)

[personal profile] laireshi 2020-03-28 05:12 am (UTC)(link)
Well, I know what I'll be reading tonight then :)
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[personal profile] extrapenguin 2020-03-27 06:55 pm (UTC)(link)
I can't think of one, either! If I were to plot one, I'd probably have Ye Zun try to manipulate Chu Shuzhi with Evidence That Shen Wei Is The Worst Big Brother ... leading to reconciliation?

(Shen Wei being a bad big brother to his twin might be what actually gets Chu Shuzhi to doubt. Though as it didn't happen, it'd be just a short and easily fixed misunderstanding.)
extrapenguin: A man raising a glass protector off from above a magic device. (guardian)

[personal profile] extrapenguin 2020-03-27 07:18 pm (UTC)(link)
Because Chu Shuzhi, even if he would have some doubts, would go straight to Shen Wei and ask, respectfully, for an explanation.
He would! Unless he dismissed Ye Zun out of hand. But I am interested in all reconciliation scenarios. What do you think he'd think about Ye Zun being Shen Wei's brother? A happy tear at being able to facilitate the Envoy reconciling with his brother? Weirded out at the Envoy's brother being the prisoner in the Sky Pillar?
trobadora: (Ye Zun)

[personal profile] trobadora 2020-03-27 07:20 pm (UTC)(link)
Ooooh, that is a fantastic idea! Ye Zun tries to manipulate Chu Shuzhi into turning against Shen Wei, and that's how Shen Wei finds out the reason for Ye Zun's grudge! Because Lao-Chu may doubt, but he's not going to jump to conclusions, not when it's the Envoy.
extrapenguin: Masked man with floofy hair smiles smugly (ye zun smile)

[personal profile] extrapenguin 2020-03-27 07:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Because Lao-Chu may doubt, but he's not going to jump to conclusions, not when it's the Envoy.
Yes! His trust in and loyalty to the Envoy is wonderful. He'd also be pretty chuffed at being the instrument of the Envoy and his little brother's reconciliation.
trobadora: (Shen Wei & Ye Zun - hands)

[personal profile] trobadora 2020-03-27 07:36 pm (UTC)(link)
He really would! :D
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[personal profile] laireshi 2020-03-28 05:15 am (UTC)(link)
This is officially the best fix-it idea :D
trobadora: (Black-Cloaked Envoy)

[personal profile] trobadora 2020-03-27 07:35 pm (UTC)(link)
Murder a bunch of Dixingian minions of Ye Zun's? Eh, their fault for standing against the Envoy. Show mercy on Ye Zun? It's the Envoy's precious little twin brother, of course he should be protected!

Hee! :D
trobadora: (Chu Shuzhi - *curls up*)

[personal profile] trobadora 2020-03-27 07:34 pm (UTC)(link)
This is my only Lao-Chu icon right now ...

I have a loyalty kink and a thing for people kneeling to show respect and that scene cemented my love for Chu Shuzhi.

Oooh, yes, me too. I want more of that so badly. Why isn't there more fic that focuses on Lao-Chu and Shen Wei?

I liked him right away, too. He's attractive of course, and his grumpiness is great, and then the loyalty kink! (Also when he makes Xiao-Guo bow to the Envoy!)

This is such a fascinating relationship and it’s not one-sided. Shen Wei uses Chu Shuzhi for a purpose, of course, but he also respects him.

Yes! That's there in that scene, too, with Shen Wei all, "this is a friendship between gentlemen".

the first thing Shen Wei does, after realizing that SID knows he’s secret identity, is to apologize to Chu Shuzhi for not telling him earlier.

I don't think I've seen any fic about that - have you? I really want to know what went on in Lao-Chu's head at that moment!

Which for me begs the question – would he really? If Black-Cloaked Envoy would do something morally questionable or even evil would Chu Shuzhi still support him? Would he even consider something The Envoy does as anything else but just and right? After all when he argues with Zhao Yunlan in episode 32 he says: “Sometimes you need to be ruthless, or you’ll miss the big picture and regret it forever.”

Lao-Chu isn't afraid to ask the Envoy questions. I think he'd be willing to assume good reasons for as long as he could, but if the Envoy did something Chu Shuzhi actually considered evil or pointlessly cruel and couldn't give him a convincing reason, ultimately he wouldn't go along with it. He might even convince himself it's not the Envoy but an impostor. (And he would probably be right, because I can't see Shen Wei doing anything genuinely evil. *g*

I don’t think he had any acquaintances, casual or otherwise, in Haixing, besides the SID people.

I don't think he did either, and he wasn't even close to his colleagues before the start of the drama. (No wonder he was grumpy! *g*)

Discidium, Reparandam by galaxysoup
For a more concerted victory by china-shop


Yes! These are both excellent on the Lao-Chu front. (And Discidium, Rparandam is excellent with all the SID characters.) ♥
china_shop: A mostly black & white silhouette of the Envoy entering a portal (Guardian - portal)

[personal profile] china_shop 2020-03-29 11:10 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes! That's there in that scene, too, with Shen Wei all, "this is a friendship between gentlemen".

I always read that as Shen Wei genuinely going, "Actually, it would be really nice (and more useful to me) if we could be friends, and you spoke candidly," and Chu Shuzhi taking it as a gracious pleasantry rather than at face value, because how could someone as exalted as the Envoy want to be friends with him?
trobadora: (Black-Cloaked Envoy)

[personal profile] trobadora 2020-03-30 05:01 pm (UTC)(link)
YEah, completely agreed. At least Lao-Chu isn't afraid to ask questions ...
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[personal profile] nnozomi 2020-03-27 11:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Excellent post! I hope your rec pages also contain your own great fics.

Chu Shuzhi is a fascinating character. As you point out, I feel as if more than anyone else in the SID, his loyalties and emotions are tied directly to individual people more than ideals or abstractions--he would die for the Black-Cloaked Envoy, his personal emotional life is, until Xiao Guo comes along, mostly constructed around missing his brother, and then there's Xiao Guo and the gradual blossoming of their relationship. (From awe laced with a healthy dose of fearful respect on one side, and annoyance and disdain on the other, to partnership where both sides complement each other and work beautifully together.--perfect description.) Unlike many of their colleagues, he isn't that worried about the bigger picture of the future of Haixing or Dixing, Lin Jing's ideals of science, Zhu Hong's concerns for her race as a whole, Xiao Guo's ideas of what's right as a human being--Chu Shuzhi's focus is on the individual people he cares for.

Lao Chu's fans really have their choice of great moments, from his Envoy fanboying to his showing off in the boxing ring to his (homoerotic no matter how you look at it...) threats in Dixing to Xiao Guo to his complete, shattered breakdown when he thinks Xiao Guo is dead. For a side character, he gets to run the gamut of emotions and action. Me, I like his little pleased grin to himself the first time Xiao Guo starts to show some promise in training--God forbid he should actually praise him to his face, but he's getting fond of this hapless kid in spite of himself.

I also like the few moments when we see that he and Zhao Yunlan are actually close in their own way, not friends but sharing mutual respect--Zhao Yunlan helping him stand up after the ordeal in the cold room, Chu Shuzhi's wide relieved grin when Zhao Yunlan gets his sight back, even Zhao Yunlan's ravaged face during Chu Shuzhi's breakdown. Again, the careful creation of this whole net of relationships, even the ones like this that aren't primary connections for either of the people involved, is done so well.

trobadora: (Guardian - SID team)

[personal profile] trobadora 2020-03-28 06:29 pm (UTC)(link)
I feel as if more than anyone else in the SID, his loyalties and emotions are tied directly to individual people more than ideals or abstractions

Yes! That's a great observation. :D

Completely agreed about Lao-Chu and Zhao Yunlan, too.
china_shop: Close-up of Zhao Yunlan grinning (Default)

[personal profile] china_shop 2020-03-29 11:24 pm (UTC)(link)
I also like the few moments when we see that he and Zhao Yunlan are actually close in their own way, not friends but sharing mutual respect

Yes, and that's something that develops, rather than being there at the very beginning. Zhao Yunlan even says, "Old Chu is an ambitious person, he doesn't always want to talk to me. He's only been respectful towards one person -- the Black-Cloaked Envoy." (Ep 6, 37:32)

(I'm not sure about "ambitious" -- has anyone looked at the translation of that line? I just tried with Google Translate and it didn't mention ambition at all.)
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[personal profile] klia 2020-03-28 06:25 pm (UTC)(link)
One of my favorite things in the show is Lao Chu's epic clameurysm when he thinks Guo Changcheng is dead. There's something about stoic badasses totally losing it that really pings me.
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[personal profile] starandrea 2020-03-28 06:52 pm (UTC)(link)
Which for me begs the question – would he really? If Black-Cloaked Envoy would do something morally questionable or even evil would Chu Shuzhi still support him? Would he even consider something The Envoy does as anything else but just and right?

I vote yes, yes, and no. :) I would argue that Shen Wei has made a lot of morally questionable choices over the years, and Chu Shuzhi has had, not just a front-row seat, but a significant personal interest in many of them (relating as they do to his people and his land, both of which he still seems very connected to despite his exile).

This is a wonderful and thoughtful character appreciation post - thanks for all of your pictures (the gifs are PRICELESS), recs, and insights! ♥♥ (And your own fic, which is outstanding! I love everything you do with Chu Shuzhi and Guo Changcheng!)
dorinda: Lao Chu with his fists up, by the words "Steely Murder Muffin". (guardian: lao chu)

[personal profile] dorinda 2020-03-29 10:48 pm (UTC)(link)
Thanks for this post! I love it--and I love Chu Shuzhi. :D The title is perfect, I think about that line of his a lot. And I was rewatching episode 2 yesterday, and can't believe I had forgotten Shen Wei's response to Chu Shuzhi after CSZ says he won't hesitate to sacrifice his life: "This is a friendship between gentlemen. It has nothing to do with debts of gratitude." It's such a courteous and kind thing to say, it grants Chu Shuzhi respect. It's the same kind of courtesy and respect we see later when Shen Wei apologizes to Chu Shuzhi for not revealing his cover identity--he doesn't address him like an underling, but like a comrade.

I also like how the relationship between Chu Shuzhi and Guo Changcheng changes, especially once GCC has more depth and a spine, and CSZ has more open tenderness for him. And as [personal profile] klia says, I loooove to see Chu Shuzhi fall apart under enormous pressure--it takes a lot to break him, but when he's broken, he's shattered. ♥
Edited (removing a chunk of extra white space) 2020-03-29 22:48 (UTC)
dorinda: Lao Chu with his fists up, by the words "Steely Murder Muffin". (guardian: lao chu)

[personal profile] dorinda 2020-03-30 07:46 pm (UTC)(link)
:D Thanks! [personal profile] sakana17 made it for me. ♥
china_shop: Close-up of Zhao Yunlan grinning (Default)

[personal profile] china_shop 2020-03-29 11:03 pm (UTC)(link)
This is such an awesome post, and oh, those gifs!! *applauds* I'm enjoying reading the comments, too, and eeee, thank you for the rec! ♥ ♥ ♥

My favourite Chu Shuzhi moments are:

1. When he attacks the Regent in the street outside the SID, and how incensed he is by Zhao Yunlan's stopping him, but he does what he's told because Zhao Yunlan is chief and that's what the Envoy would want. (And then he still supports Zhao Yunlan to Zhao Xinci!)

2. Making Guo Changcheng bow to the Black-Cloaked Envoy in episode 1. (Bowing by proxy! One of my favourite tropes.)

3. When Zhao Yunlan announces Shen Wei is their new consultant, and most of the team applauds enthusiastically, and Chu Shuzhi just drinks. Because he doesn't know!

4. When they're in the mountains in the Hanga Arc, and Chu Shuzhi's the only one who's done the reading.

5. Every time near the beginning of the show when he sits back and watches, because he's not really part of the team. He watches Guo Changcheng getting the Longevity Dial to save Butler Wu in episode 5, he watches everyone's reaction to the Regent's visit. He is sitting back and judging them all so hard, until over time, the changes in the team (less bigotry) and the attitude of the Envoy towards the SID and Chu Shuzhi's connection with Guo Changcheng all draw him in until he belongs. ♥ ♥ ♥

“Regardless of what you do, I’ll support you unconditionally.”

Which for me begs the question – would he really? If Black-Cloaked Envoy would do something morally questionable or even evil would Chu Shuzhi still support him? Would he even consider something The Envoy does as anything else but just and right?


This makes me wonder what Chu Shuzhi's reaction would have been if he'd found out about Shen Wei's contingency turn-himself-into-a-bomb plan sooner. Would he support the Envoy to sacrifice himself? Would he be able to keep the secret from Zhao Yunlan? I feel like that would be the toughest test -- he'd want so much to take the Envoy's place or to find another way.

“What are pleasantries?” he asks after the dinner with Guo Changcheng’s aunt and uncle. He clearly didn’t have any opportunities, or the need to socialize.

Or, at least, not with the kind of people who make smalltalk. *g* I am so interested in where he lives, whether he has even minimal interaction with other people (a landlord? a neighbour) and who those people might be. Presumably not other Dixingren, or he'd have to dob them in to the Envoy, but maybe other ex-cons?

*still doesn't have a CSZ icon, must get on that*
Edited (formatting & missing word) 2020-03-29 23:04 (UTC)
china_shop: Close-up of Zhao Yunlan grinning (Default)

[personal profile] china_shop 2020-04-02 08:34 am (UTC)(link)
Maybe one of them is an older woman. Her only son grew up and left home. So she tries to befriend Chu Shuzhi, or even mother him. She isn’t discouraged by his grumpy and surly demeanor. She calls him Xiao Chu and tries to set him up on a date with her younger single female coworker. And then one day she sees him with a young man with a sweet smile, and she sees Xiao Chu’s eyes when he looks at that young man, and she thinks “ohhh, so that’s why he didn’t want to go on that date.”

*heart-eyes* :-D
china_shop: Close-up of Zhao Yunlan grinning (Guardian - CSZ unimpressed)

[personal profile] china_shop 2020-06-21 02:28 am (UTC)(link)
Just back to add another fic: Discretion -- Chu Shuzhi & Zhu Hong gen, undercover as a couple. :-)
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[personal profile] lannamichaels 2020-04-01 06:57 pm (UTC)(link)
I liked him from the start. The first things that caught my attention was his beauty and his fighting style, but most of all his unwavering and intense loyalty to Black-Cloaked Envoy, which is obvious straight away in the 1st episode. After the 1st episode I thought “I like that guy a lot.” After the 2nd episode I was already in love. Mainly because of this scene:

And that was it for me. I have a loyalty kink and a thing for people kneeling to show respect and that scene cemented my love for Chu Shuzhi.

SAME. I loved that moment so much. My loyalty kink is well-nourished by CSZ. I love their relationship.