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ExtraPenguin ([personal profile] extrapenguin) wrote in [community profile] sid_guardian2019-05-03 09:09 pm

Guardian Episode by Episode: 11

Welcome to the rewatchalong! We are now at episode 11. There's still some time to participate in round 2 (eps 11-20) of the Guardian icon battle, should you wish to. The Imgur screencap album has 67 images. As an important update to the rewatchalong concept, we won't have Shen Wei shoe watch sections unless his shoes actually get shown.


Previously on:
Episode 1, Episode 2, Episode 3, Episode 4, Episode 5, Episode 6, Episode 7, Episode 8, Episode 9, Episode 10

This week, we finish the Hanga arc and start the sounds of doom arc. This is also the episode of the toilet scene!

Introductions
We see Fourth Uncle! He acts in the most suspicious manner imaginable, makes clear he knows stuff he isn't telling, and poisons his niece.


Not a very nice thing to do. As far as we know, even Zhao Xinci hasn't descended into poisoning his "disappointing" junior relative yet.


Characterization
Shen Wei, like Chu Shuzhi, has been doing research on the Hanga, and mentions having his "own sources". Maybe this was the reason he was seeking all those old books a few episodes back? They might have had references to the local forgotten tribe.

This is the episode where Shen Wei realizes Zhu Jiu isn't working alone and must have someone behind him. However, he shies away from stating whom it might be when Zhao Yunlan inquires a bit.


He also grabs Zhao Yunlan when he's thrown back by the dark energy ropes.


We also get the manipulation by self-sacrifice! Brother Peng from episode 9 arrived at the village to have a meal with Zhao Yunlan, and poured a whole lot of alcohol for him (a suspicious quantity, in fact) so Shen Wei was reminded of the stomachache episode and went >:( internally and stole Zhao Yunlan's cup, knowing he'd fall unconscious.


Look at how he's allergic to ethanol.


IIRC this is the first episode the accusation "Sold his own kind to obtain status" gets so baldly levied at Shen Wei, but I might be forgetting something. The first time Zhao Yunlan hears it, at any rate.

Zhao Yunlan, after struggling with the gun, shoots it in this episode! Zhu Jiu reacts as if he were hit, but no lasting damage happens, unlike in future episodes where he gets hit, so idk. Zhao Yunlan also very responsibly waited to shoot until he got a clear shot at Zhu Jiu.

Then we get to the first bit of levity in this episode: Zhao Yunlan connects the dots that the Envoy must have someone whom he likes (based on the vehement remarks to certain bits of Sang Zan and Wang Zheng's story), sees Chu Shuzhi, makes the entirely reasonable assumption that the Envoy is into Chu Shuzhi, and then says what is very clearly meant to be "The SID is a homophobia-free workplace." We know that Shen Wei is into someone else entirely, but this is before Zhao Yunlan has his Shen Wei = Black-Cloaked Envoy epiphany.

As for the epiphany, it was very very well done, with Zhao Yunlan sniffing the jacket and then connecting the dots. Later we see him do some more comparing of the two ends of the string, even if he's second-guessing himself a little bit on some of it.


To think, if Shen Wei hadn't drunk the alcohol, his secret would've been safe for a bit longer!


Zhu Jiu's plan ... might make sense. He dodged the Envoy's strike to make the Envoy hit and crack the pillar, then he made a barrier (or the barrier Shen Wei couldn't pass "in this condition" was the pillar?), and tried to get the Awl out only to be subverted by and angry Sang Zan. Then the Awl flew happily into Shen Wei's hands. The plan is a bit overly complex, but I guess that using Wang Zheng to lure Zhao Yunlan in, who'd lure the Envoy in, was a good way of getting everyone maximally emotionally compromised so that the Envoy couldn't just kaboom his way through.


I even got a still of his fight with the Envoy, despite the darkness!


Chu Shuzhi's opinion on the shockrod does an 180° turn when Guo Changcheng accidentally stabs him with the electricity. He gets back at Changcheng, though, by stealing his diary and informing him about that in the most passive-aggressive manner possible in the other hilarious scene of this episode: the toilet scene. Words cannot give justice to how funny it was.


"Who's there?" "The big popsicle."


Either Wang Zheng is very fast at storytelling, or she left Guo Changcheng an essay with her backstory for his overnight reading that he only just discovered, because that is a lot of conversation in a short time. Or Zhao Yunlan and the Envoy had a looooong one-on-one chat that everyone else was loath to interrupt.

Am I wrong in interpreting Guo Changcheng's remarks on Lin Jing taking the sex doll as jealousy? What were you going to do with that doll, Changcheng? Bring it home to your uncle?

We get to hear Lin Jing explain about the Hallows' function! Apparently, the Longevity Dial "links genes together in a chain to share pheromones" (yes, "pheromones" was in the Chinese hardsub) and the Montain-River Awl "turns the body into an immortal quantum form made of energy". Caveat: while my Chinese is better than that of Google Translate, I am rather reliant on dictionaries here.

Then Lin Jing makes the mistake of implying that the reason Zhu Hong doesn't understand his explanation is because a snake's pineal gland is smaller than a human's. She cows him into submission with threats of violence.


Ah, Zhu Hong.


At the start of the hypnotism girl plot, we see Tan Xiao make what is probably the dumbest stand ever. You embarrassed her dad who is also your boss in public, wtf were you thinking? And he'd just make her play the violin anyway.

Additional notes: Zheng Yi is supposed to be 15, but she does not look like she's started puberty yet. She was also brought in by a mom who married the boss, so either the mom is from Dixing, or there was some further adoption hijinks going on.

Canon notes
  • The Awl can peel off a person's "essence" but also make a vanished one whole. (It also really likes putting people in pillars.)
  • The Hallows have bad effects (Chinese mentions backlash) on Dixingians, too, so Shen Wei better practice what he preaches and not fondle the Hallows too much.
  • Hypnotism, even from the snake tribe, can be turned against its user.
  • The ghost beasts are sentient enough that Shen Wei bothers to read their sentence out loud before executing them.
  • Dixingians use the toilet. (Chu Shuzhi goes to use the toilet and no-one finds the toilet use itself remarkable.)


Cinematography
We see people shot from a distance


Note how the snakes are also touchy about being called monsters.


and lots of Shen Wei and Zhao Yunlan in the same frame, standing close


Also, Shen Wei's magical girl transformation.

Spot the left shot's strong diagonal framing and how it's shot from the bottom.



Requisite shot through blinds that follows conversation about the Envoy's secrets.


In general, I suspect that the show would have liked to do wide, sweeping shots more often, but small budget meant smallish sets, so the cinematography stayed as it was.

Architechture time! Our troop is walking from Zhao Yunlan's office towards the main room.


The lab can be seen behind them. To our left, there's also a door to a side region that's *not* the lab. Maybe the interrogation room? IDK. Thoughts?


Zhao Yunlan jacket watch
The same ensemble of the prior few episodes, but then the day changes and so does Zhao Yunlan's jacket!


Did Shen Wei take off his glasses?
Zhao Yunlan took them off for him.

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[personal profile] trobadora 2019-05-03 07:05 pm (UTC)(link)
Zheng Yi's actress seems to have been born in September 2005, so when Guardian was filmed she'd have been 11? Very strange.
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[personal profile] teaotter 2019-05-03 07:33 pm (UTC)(link)
In my personal headcanon, Zhen Wei wears Zhao Yunlan's jacket up the mountain because he can't bear to leave it behind. Otherwise, it makes no sense to me why he doesn't. He doesn't need a jacket! But it's like a hug from Zhao Yunlan!

I really like Fourth Uncle in this arc, even if he starts by drugging Zhu Hong. People in this show are really happy to cross boundaries if it's for their loved one's own good. Or "own good," as the case may be.

Considering Zhu Jiu's "Lolita" comment, I'm just as happy they declared Zheng Yi to be 15, even if I don't actually believe it.

Ha! Of course Zhao Yunlan takes off Shen Wei's glasses for the unmasking sequence!

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[personal profile] lynndyre 2019-05-03 07:34 pm (UTC)(link)
That makes a lot more sense than 15! I wondered if it was a subtitle error or something, or maybe it's supposed to be another nod to Dixing slower aging?
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[personal profile] lynndyre 2019-05-03 07:47 pm (UTC)(link)
I love this episode so much!! Shen Wei poisoning himself on purpose to protect Zhao Yunlan's stomach is so much fun, from so many angles- the protectiveness, the h/c, Zhao Yunlan having a chance to do the tucking-in and the watching him sleep~~ And the identity reveal! Bai Yu's facial expression shifts through that scene are really good.

I didn't read the 'the Envoy is into somebody' exchange as implying that Zhao Yunlan thought he was into Lao Chu, just that he's talking about the Envoy's love life and Chu will glare the fuck out of people who don't respect the Envoy's untouchable authority. (and Shen Wei's just biting his tongue not to go YES IT IS YOU, YOU DUMMY)

Lin Jing's attempted scientific BS to justify the Hallows as sci-fi artifacts amuses me way too much. (and I love that shot of Zhu Hong)
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[personal profile] trobadora 2019-05-03 08:27 pm (UTC)(link)
It's not the translation or the subtitles - the English subtitles, the Chinese subtitles and the actual spoken dialogue all say 15. (I just rewatched to make sure!)

So, well, either it's a deliberate nod to slower Dixing aging, or else there was a typo in the script (but not in the info they used for casting) that no one noticed. *g*
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[personal profile] trobadora 2019-05-03 08:28 pm (UTC)(link)
I didn't read the 'the Envoy is into somebody' exchange as implying that Zhao Yunlan thought he was into Lao Chu, just that he's talking about the Envoy's love life and Chu will glare the fuck out of people who don't respect the Envoy's untouchable authority.

That's my reading as well.
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[personal profile] clevermanka 2019-05-03 09:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Your commentary is, as always, a gift.

I didn't remember that Zhao Yunlan removed Shen Wei's glasses, here, but of course he did. For all its faults, this show really does deliver on so many things.

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[personal profile] lunabee34 2019-05-04 12:04 am (UTC)(link)
OMG that toilet scene. I died laughing.

I really like that in the midst of all the angst, this show can really bring the laughs.
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[personal profile] jo_lasalle 2019-05-04 01:12 am (UTC)(link)
Not a very nice thing to do. As far as we know, even Zhao Xinci hasn't descended into poisoning his "disappointing" junior relative yet.

He probably only refrained because Zhao Yunlan would have been disappointingly unable to handle it. Zhao Yunlan flunked out of the How To Test My Child class after the lost puppy incident.

To think, if Shen Wei hadn't drunk the alcohol, his secret would've been safe for a bit longer!

Indeed. I have to say, the booze thing is so adorable, but also so WTF oh Shen Wei. It's pretty clear to me from that table's dynamic that as long as that cup gets emptied, it's going to get refilled, so to take the cup and empty it isn't actually all that helpful. Unless the point was to make himself pass out so Zhao Yunlan would have an excuse to leave the table, but "I want to spare you from one more cup of booze so I'll make myself pass out and make you lug my 6 foot body around and wonder if I've been poisoned, with no actual way for me to interfere the rest of the night" is such a cray-cray plan... Oh Shen Wei.

Then we get to the first bit of levity in this episode: Zhao Yunlan connects the dots that the Envoy must have someone whom he likes (based on the vehement remarks to certain bits of Sang Zan and Wang Zheng's story), sees Chu Shuzhi, makes the entirely reasonable assumption that the Envoy is into Chu Shuzhi, and then says what is very clearly meant to be "The SID is a homophobia-free workplace."

LOL! Okay, THANK YOU. In all of the angsty Zhao Yunlan/Envoy interactions, I always managed to miss that. I had to go, '... what?' at your post and went to check the episode, and THIS IS HILARIOUS. "A kind and loving place!" indeed. Oh Zhao Yunlan. ILU.

I confess that the toilet scene is where I kind of turn into a grouch. I love Chu, and by this point I still mostly want to strangle Guo, but tearing pages out of someone's diary is BAD AND WRONG. So I mostly cringed through that. ("The big popsicle" is admittedly hilarious, though.)

I love the shot of Shen Wei transforming and the angles they use for it. <3

Zhao Yunlan took them off for him.

Awwwwwww!

On first watch, I screamed so hard at the jacket reveal. I don't think I expected them to Superman/Clark Kent this forever, especially given some stuff in the credits, but that was earlier than I expected and both the set-up and Zhao Yunlan were SO SMART. <3

Also memorable:
- the Envoy's A THOUSAND STABS speech. He really is an adorable little drama llama in his own way.
- Zhao Yunlan's hardcore puppy eyes deployment as he wants the Envoy to help Sang Zan and Wang Zheng to stay together.

Zhao Yunlan had no more fancy jackets to swap out because his Second Day Jacket had to be his all-the-time jacket because of thieving professors.

Additional notes: Zheng Yi is supposed to be 15, but she does not look like she's started puberty yet. She was also brought in by a mom who married the boss, so either the mom is from Dixing, or there was some further adoption hijinks going on.

The age of the girl is so weird. Did they think it would look less creepy for the grown man to befriend the little girl if they said she was 15 even if she looked 10, or something? Not that I think it is creepy, I actually think they set this up very well and believable as a big brother / younger sister thing. Just, why cast that actress and then make the age sound so implausible?

Or is this more Dixing ageing whackiness and that's what that's supposed to fit into?
Edited 2019-05-04 01:13 (UTC)
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[personal profile] jo_lasalle 2019-05-04 01:18 am (UTC)(link)
I went very '... what?' at that part of the post, because I didn't remember that particular exchange at all, but when I went back to check just now, while the Chu throat clearing could definitely be 'don't hassle the Honorable Envoy!!!' (which is how I'd previously taken it), the way Zhao Yunlan gestures between the two of them in a 'oh, you mean, you two...?' and goes straight to "The SID is a kind and loving place!" is actually quite convincing!

I mean, it lasts for about five seconds and doesn't have plot knock-on effects, but I recommend giving that exchange another watch/try! Free bonus hilarity. :D
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[personal profile] qikiqtarjuaq 2019-05-04 02:41 am (UTC)(link)
Shen Wei's magical girl transformations are fantastic. I always love seeing Zhao YUnlan and the Black Cloaked Envoy interact and have conversations. The part where the Envoy is so clearly talking about/thinking about Zhao Yunlan... *sighs*
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[personal profile] china_shop 2019-05-04 03:15 am (UTC)(link)
Ha! Of course Zhao Yunlan takes off Shen Wei's glasses for the unmasking sequence!

Yessss! ♥ ♥ ♥
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[personal profile] china_shop 2019-05-04 03:25 am (UTC)(link)
and poured a whole lot of alcohol for him (a suspicious quantity, in fact)

I assumed that's just what hospitality looks like in those parts: don't let your guest's cup lie empty.

Zheng Yi is supposed to be 15, but she does not look like she's started puberty yet.

*nodnod* She doesn't behave as if she's started puberty yet, either.

The ghost beasts are sentient enough that Shen Wei bothers to read their sentence out loud before executing them.

\o/!

Also, FTR, Gelan's bodyguard survived the various coups and uprisings in the Hanga tribe, despite Gelan's complete disregard for his safety in episode 10. I was glad to see that.

I feel very cheated that we didn't get a "ZYL piggybacks unconscious Shen Wei back to his room" scene. (If this had been a Kdrama, there would have been several minutes of comedy in that!)

So... the turns-out-to-be-absusive stepdad is a long-time friend/colleague/classmate of Shen Wei's? I kinda wish that wasn't the case... :-/
Edited 2019-05-04 03:26 (UTC)
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[personal profile] jo_lasalle 2019-05-04 03:35 am (UTC)(link)
I thought Tan Xiao/big brother dude was Shen Wei's colleague / acquaintance / guy whose work Shen Wei was familiar with? Or did I mix that up?
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[personal profile] china_shop 2019-05-04 03:39 am (UTC)(link)
We saw the stepfather on the phone as he was leaving the lab, and his phone was found at the crime scene with Shen Wei's number on it. (Subtitle: "I checked the last phone call the victim Zheng Zhongyuan made. He called the same person several times.") :-/
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[personal profile] jo_lasalle 2019-05-04 03:52 am (UTC)(link)
I must have confused that among the reveal flail, huh...

That's actually an interesting detail, though. Both for Shen Wei (Professor Evil Serum isn't the only unsavoury guy he knows...) and maybe (!) in light of the fact that he lets the girl go in the end here.
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[personal profile] china_shop 2019-05-04 03:57 am (UTC)(link)
Mm, but it makes me doubt his judgement a little, especially after he gave one of the rapists in episode 3 an unsolicited character reference to ZYL. :-/

maybe (!) in light of the fact that he lets the girl go in the end here.

After she's been the cause of several deaths, not just her stepfather's! (Actually, that's another thing that speaks to her being younger than her stated age: he's not holding her responsible for her actions, especially compared with mirror!Zhou Weiwei, who got taken back to Dixing just for threatening violence.)
Edited (wrong episode) 2019-05-04 03:58 (UTC)
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[personal profile] jo_lasalle 2019-05-04 04:03 am (UTC)(link)
Shen Wei sometimes has not the greatest judgement! This is actually a prime episode for this. There are people who will die at the wedding in the next ep in part because he didn't tell Zhao Yunlan who the real Dixingian was here.

I mean, it's not that I like it in the sense of "yay bad judgement!" but Shen Wei not being always right and knowing, I like for the narrative.

(That being said, the specific cases of "rapist college guy" and "abuser" are kind of prime examples of "people don't see it and are shocked when stuff comes out". And a suits wearing researcher guy in particular...)

(I'm not in a good position to verify ep numbers so please edit 'next ep' type mentions etc. in your head as needed. Somewhere in this arc!)
Edited 2019-05-04 04:05 (UTC)
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[personal profile] jo_lasalle 2019-05-04 04:13 am (UTC)(link)
ACTUALLY! The transformation thing in this particular ep just brought another question to my mind: how does the stinky jacket fit in with "what happens to Shen Wei's day clothes when he transforms into the Envoy?"

I've seen people make a convincing argument that he can fix his clothes as he materialises and dematerialises them, but if he could rematerialise them in a fixed/clean state, surely he wouldn't deliberately go for bringing back the smelly blood?
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[personal profile] china_shop 2019-05-04 04:14 am (UTC)(link)
Shen Wei sometimes has not the greatest judgement! This is actually a prime episode for this. There are people who will die at the wedding in the next ep in part because he didn't tell Zhao Yunlan who the real Dixingian was here.

To me, that's a different category of judgement. Like, regardless of how it turned out, that was a professional decision that he should handle the matter himself. And we don't know how it would have gone if he'd told the SID... maybe Zhu Jiu would have taken the opportunity to do something worse?

That being said, the specific cases of "rapist college guy" and "abuser" are kind of prime examples of "people don't see it and are shocked when stuff comes out".

Excellent point. *nods* (It would have been nice to see the shocked reaction part, even if only for a second? I can't remember if we do for Zheng Zhongyuan, but I'm pretty sure we didn't in episode 3.)

Noted. :-)
Edited 2019-05-04 04:21 (UTC)
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[personal profile] jo_lasalle 2019-05-04 04:22 am (UTC)(link)
And we don't know how it would have gone if he'd told the SID... maybe Zhu Jiu would have taken the opportunity to do something worse?

Oh, sure, I'm not running the Recall The Envoy campaign. :) Just, lying to Zhao Yunlan was imo the wrong professional call, and I might have been cross if the narrative hadn't called him on it.

You're right that there wasn't much of a shocked reaction. But if you think of possible reactions... once they heard about the rape, I also don't recall anyone doubting the professor or telling her she was reckless or anything - I'll take that! :)

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[personal profile] china_shop 2019-05-04 04:24 am (UTC)(link)
But if you think of possible reactions... once they heard about the rape, I also don't recall anyone doubting the professor or telling her she was reckless or anything - I'll take that! :)

Point!

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