Hi! I'm finally catching up! *throws comments everywhere like confetti*
Is the primordial past/mythology storyline easy for you to follow?
Tbh my eyes sort of glaze over whenever that stuff comes up. /o\
Would you hate or enjoy being in a battle of wits with Zhao Yunlan?
Would 100% hate, this is purely a spectator sport for me. *g*
My notes on chapters 15 & 16:
The underground parking area was divided into separate garages for each unit, and each private garage had its own elevator with direct access to their unit.
Wow! I've never even heard of that sort of luxury.
Shen Wei took a long look at him. So much emotion and longing, so agonizingly repressed for thousands of years, and Zhao Yunlan had casually set it all ablaze with absolutely no warning. The intensity was rapidly reaching a breaking point, and with it, an indescribable sadistic urge welled up in Shen Wei's heart. He ached to gather Zhao Yunlan in his arms and smother him there, to crush every bit of flesh and bone to dust and melt it in his palms, preserving this moment for eternity. The world inside his heart was collapsing, and yet in front of Zhao Yunlan, he couldn't bear to even draw a harsh breath. Only his gaze burned.
Awwww! (Really, the contrast makes this - "sadistic urge to crush him" vs. "can't even bear to draw a harsh breath", OMG!!!)
And a whole different "AWWWW" for ZYL and DQ squabbling and fighting! ♥
Shen Wei reached out and stroked Zhao Yunlan's creased brow with a fingertip. "Don't frown. No need to worry."
So sweet!
And ZYL actually asks outright about Ghost Face! But SW won't tell. (Interesting that ZYL hasn't even confided in DQ about any of what he's seen!)
A little desolate, he said, "We're different from humans. We're foolish and stupid. Even after thousands of years, we can't cultivate much intelligence. We're only able to recognize our master. I don't know much about anything else."
I feel for Daqing, but I don't like this much. I like him better when he's being all superior!
And I love that ZYL does confide in him and tell him the truth about SW, and that DQ is very serious about keeping a secret! (Until it turns into slapstick when he falls, LOL.)
So many moments from Zhao Yunlan and "Shen-laoshi's" interactions flashed through Daqing's mind: Shen Wei's knowledge of the Netherworld, how familiar he seemed, how he had appeared whenever they'd dealt with a Hallowed Artifact, his authority when interrogating Wang Xiangyang... Appalled, Daqing realized that this explained everything. There was no choice but to believe it.
♥ ♥ ♥
Daqing was about to lose his mind. "I am an old, old cat. From back as far as the investiture of the gods, for the most part I can tell you the ins and outs of everything, from gods and Buddhas to all the creatures that walk the earth. But I can't tell you a thing about the Soul-Executing Emissary's origin. Do you understand what that means?"
This made it into the drama, too!
"You... How did you get tangled up with him? Can't you keep it in your pants?" The real tragedy was that Zhao Yunlan had yet to get it out of his pants.
LOLOLOL!
Zhao Yunlan looked like an illiterate punk, but his appearance was deceiving. He had an impressive knowledge of ancient texts, letting him quickly skim through a book, and he was familiar with several ancient languages. Now he sat cross-legged on the tall metal ladder and got to work.
Very cool!
"Iv...this is something that's imbossible...but it still habbened-happened, thin someone mod...mad...made...it happen."
I really like Sangzan being smart and working with ZYL to figure things out!
Again, Zhao Yunlan thought of his dream. Who had been talking to him?
I have entirely forgotten about this already. /o\
I put on the merit shackles of my own will.
Ooh, and this made it into the drama too, when CSZ tells the Regent he's wearing the spring and autumn shackles voluntarily! One of those rare instances where they didn't recontextualise things quite enough, IMO, so it doesn't entirely make sense removed from the novel context.
"That's right! I'm not afraid to say it. So what? I don't regret it! If I had it to do all over again, I'd still skin the little brat and tear out his tendons and just sit in jail for another three hundred years! What's this shit about merits and sins, adults and children? To me, there are two types of people: those I can kill, and those I can't. If they're forcing me like this, if my crimes are so unforgivable that three hundred years aren't enough to atone, then why shouldn't I commit the crimes I've been charged for? If I rack up a few more offenses, this transaction would be worth it! From now on, everyone had better keep an eye on their kids, or the bone flute might scatter their souls, never to return!"
Oh CSZ! I don't think he literally means it - I think GCC is right about that - and I really can't blame him for lashing out. And GCC not being afraid of his threats, and calling him a good man, makes it easier for him to calm down.
And ZYL, no matter how furious he is at CSZ, is 100% determined to sort this out somehow. (I wonder if he has a proper plan before the Magistrate hands him the opportunity?)
The reaper is already on their way. No matter what they want you to do, under no circumstances should you agree. Wait for me to come home. -Wei
AAARGH, does SW know ZYL at all? That practically guarantees ZYL will agree to something, LOL.
Kunlun spoke, saying, 'Stone that is aged but not yet old, water that is frozen but not yet cold, body that is dead but not yet born, soul that is melted but not yet burned,' and thus were the Pillars sealed.
And another bit that doesn't quite come together (for me) in the drama!
"Ghost Face wears a mask. But I'm pretty sure I know what he looks like underneath."
Ha! Mianmian was hinting rather broadly, wasn't he? But of course ZYL picked up on it.
Shen Wei thinks too much. He's kind to everyone but himself. I don't know why he hates himself so much, but I'm really worried that he'll..."
ZYL is right about that, and I'm very curious what he's worried SW will do, but I don't have a clue. *g*
"No? I was at my mother's all afternoon watching a rerun of the New Year's Gala. I honestly wasn't paying attention."
LOL!
ZYL playing dumb, the Magistrate knowing but unable to make him stop, this is delightful. :D
the Guardian was audacious, slippery, and sneaky, and had only ever mastered three talents: shamelessness, leading people in circles, and evasion
LOLOLOL!
It had been the Magistrate himself who decided to go to extreme measures to wake Kunlun-jun's spirit, which was sealed within Zhao Yunlan. He had instructed his subordinates to force open Zhao Yunlan's Heavenly Eye-by any means necessary-and left them to figure it out. Unfortunately, some useless underling had gone and asked the Crow tribe for help. The carrion-feeding Crow tribe had always answered to the Netherworld. Having a crow carry out the plan was the same as hanging a neon sign announcing who was actually responsible. Who had been foolish enough to come up with that idea?
And more LOLOLOL!
"Oh, so you're saying I'm the only one who has a travel pass to Kunlun Mountain?" "That's correct." Zhao Yunlan reached out and tapped the face on the Wanted notice. "Okay, then how did this-what did you call him, 'demon king'? How'd he get up there? Does he have secret VIP access? Is he Pangu's brother-in-law?"
This reminds me of drama!ZYL asking how all these Dixingren got to Haixing if only the Envoy and the Regent can use the passage! But it's a lot funnier. *g*
And I love how ZYL just utterly confuses the Magistrate, heh. And also that the Magistrate is clearly aware that the Emissary would be jealous of ZYL's lover, but also seems to be utterly incapable of even considering that that lover could possibly be the Emissary. Hee!
Very good on ZYL for using this to get more than just CSZ's situation sorted out!
Daqing's fur bristled. "Don't speak nonsense!" Zhao Yunlan shut up, perhaps realizing that wasn't something he was capable of.
LOLOLOL!
Version comparison:
"I want a guest bedroom! I want a suspended cat bed! Swing style!"
This is what Daqing asks for in the fan translation, and possibly the origin of the swing in ZYL's drama flat?
There's a bit when DQ is questioning ZYL about his relationship with the Emissary that's not in the official translation:
Da Qing is flustered and petrified. Then, it asks in a feeble voice, "Then... you... what... how far have you gone?"
Zhao Yunlan rubs his nose, "Not far, we've been in bed together, but we only slept; he's too shy, he doesn't let me touch him."
Da Qing: "... ..."
In bed... together... shy... doesn't let him touch......
These words are like a bombing raid; explosions echo around Da Qing and its soul is bombarded with force even greater than thunder and lightning from the Nine Heavens.
At an instant, images of Zhao Yunlan and Professor Shen together flash across Da Qing's mind. Every memory punctures an endless abyss in its brain; all of a sudden, this poor black cat experiences some sort of otherwordly wonder and philosophical lament... motherfucker, is there a worse cat owner in this world than Zhao?
Da Qing struggles to extend its neck beyond the thick layer of meat, and stares at Zhao Yunlan for long with deference, admiration and incredulity. Then, truest words have never been said: "What a pervert."
Another bit not in the official translation:
"So you're saying that the Soul Slayer wasn't born in the depths of Hell?"
"Perhaps somewhere nearby. But I think he is only working with Hell for a mutual partnership, they are not actually related." Da Qing says, "I can't say for sure about incidents that are too ancient in time, I can only hazard a guess. Most say that Houtu is the earth, but the true earth was formed when Pangu struck with an axe and destroyed Chaos. Just think, Nuwa repaired the Heavens, she finished her job, why did she have to turn into Houtu and become one with the earth? Was she trying to cover up the true earth? Whatever is down there, it must be somewhat related to the Soul Slayer."
The cigarette in Zhao Yunlan's hand is almost burnt out, but he does not notice.
And also this bit:
"Too late." Zhao Yunlan puts out the cigarette and throws it on the floor among the debris, "You're telling me this way too late."
Da Qing says grumpily, "That's because when you first started courting him, you didn't tell me who he was! Otherwise I would have stopped you no matter what it took..."
"No, when I say you're too late," Zhao Yunlan interrupts, "I don't mean this past half a year, I mean you're late by a few thousand years."
This part during the meeting with the Magistrate/Judge is missing from the official translation:
Zhao Yunlan waves, feigns helplessness and takes out a piece of letter paper from his desk, and begins writing while he says, "Forget it, Lao Chu and I are not on good terms, so I really don't have enough backup right now. But this is an important matter, of course I won't be the one who hampers it, I can't bear this sin..."
The judge seems to be getting used to his torture. A breath is held in suspense; in a horror movie, if the sky is clear and bright, something menacing must be looming. The judge looks at Zhao Yunlan with increasing anxiety.
Zhao Yunlan continues, "It's not convenient for me to go, but you people don't dare to take the Guardian Order either, so I have come up with the perfect plan: find someone who dares to take it..."
The judge instantly has a bad feeling. He takes a look at the letter, and barely understands Zhao Yunlan's chicken-scratch: "Lord Soul Slayer, take this letter as my person."
The judge almost falls off the chair.
Hell is of course not too afraid to take the Guardian Order. This is nothing but a scheme of those ten ruling Hell: they thought that three of the Four Mystical Artifacts have emerged, the Sundial is with Ghost Face, the Pillar is nowhere to be found, and the Soul Slayer naturally has no intention of handing it away. Who can say for sure that the Soul Slayer will never try to do what Ghost Face is doing? If he turns, what will they do then?
There is no-one on Hell's side who can stand up to those two mighty gods, so all they can think of is to use Zhao Yunlan to threaten the Soul Slayer.
But this Guardian is no average Joe, what goes on in his mind can almost qualify him for ascending to godhood, it's no wonder trying to take advantage of him is virtually impossible, isn't it? The judge feels like Zhao Yunlan already knows everything they're thinking, and he is only toying around with him.
He doesn't know exactly how much Zhao Yunlan has figured out, or whether he has a plan that the Soul Slayer also knows, but he simply can't handle this anymore; his face sinks, "What does the Guardian mean by this?"
Zhao Yunlan says innocently, "Nothing really, does the judge think this is inappropriate?"
The judge stares at him coldly.
Zhao Yunlan continues, acting surprised, "Hmm, how come? Doesn't the Soul Slayer come from Hell as well?"
"... ..."
Zhao Yunlan has once again asked a question he cannot answer.
After moments of painful silence, the judge finally understands what is meant by "to hide a lie, a thousand more are needed". He says rigidly, "That foul creature was born beneath Hell in front of the Primeval Tree of Virtue, and is somewhat related to the Soul Slayer, so it might be inconvenient for him."
"Oh," Zhao Yunlan's smirk wears down a little, and nods, "and here I thought the judge would stick by 'not talking about the great saints behind their backs", turns out beating around the bush gets us nowhere, though, wouldn't you agree? You worry about him, I can understand that... this is my being inconsiderate then."
He crumpled up the letter into a ball, "I will go with you."
And this bit from the conversation with Daqing afterwards isn't in the official translation either:
"A tooth for a tooth, an eye for an eye." Zhao Yunlan's face darkens, "The Kings of Hell have a term of a century; this batch has only been up for 20, and they have been more and more delporable. I never meant to cross them, but they messed with me in the first place... so, I'm taking you with me up to Kunlun, Mount Kunlun is a forbidden and sacred place, not a backyard for their freak show."
(I need to go to bed now - more comments tomorrow!)
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Is the primordial past/mythology storyline easy for you to follow?
Tbh my eyes sort of glaze over whenever that stuff comes up. /o\
Would you hate or enjoy being in a battle of wits with Zhao Yunlan?
Would 100% hate, this is purely a spectator sport for me. *g*
My notes on chapters 15 & 16:
The underground parking area was divided into separate garages for each unit, and each private garage had its own elevator with direct access to their unit.
Wow! I've never even heard of that sort of luxury.
Shen Wei took a long look at him. So much emotion and longing, so agonizingly repressed for thousands of years, and Zhao Yunlan had casually set it all ablaze with absolutely no warning. The intensity was rapidly reaching a breaking point, and with it, an indescribable sadistic urge welled up in Shen Wei's heart. He ached to gather Zhao Yunlan in his arms and smother him there, to crush every bit of flesh and bone to dust and melt it in his palms, preserving this moment for eternity.
The world inside his heart was collapsing, and yet in front of Zhao Yunlan, he couldn't bear to even draw a harsh breath. Only his gaze burned.
Awwww! (Really, the contrast makes this - "sadistic urge to crush him" vs. "can't even bear to draw a harsh breath", OMG!!!)
And a whole different "AWWWW" for ZYL and DQ squabbling and fighting! ♥
Shen Wei reached out and stroked Zhao Yunlan's creased brow with a fingertip. "Don't frown. No need to worry."
So sweet!
And ZYL actually asks outright about Ghost Face! But SW won't tell. (Interesting that ZYL hasn't even confided in DQ about any of what he's seen!)
A little desolate, he said, "We're different from humans. We're foolish and stupid. Even after thousands of years, we can't cultivate much intelligence. We're only able to recognize our master. I don't know much about anything else."
I feel for Daqing, but I don't like this much. I like him better when he's being all superior!
And I love that ZYL does confide in him and tell him the truth about SW, and that DQ is very serious about keeping a secret! (Until it turns into slapstick when he falls, LOL.)
So many moments from Zhao Yunlan and "Shen-laoshi's" interactions flashed through Daqing's mind: Shen Wei's knowledge of the Netherworld, how familiar he seemed, how he had appeared whenever they'd dealt with a Hallowed Artifact, his authority when interrogating Wang Xiangyang... Appalled, Daqing realized that this explained everything. There was no choice but to believe it.
♥ ♥ ♥
Daqing was about to lose his mind. "I am an old, old cat. From back as far as the investiture of the gods, for the most part I can tell you the ins and outs of everything, from gods and Buddhas to all the creatures that walk the earth. But I can't tell you a thing about the Soul-Executing Emissary's origin. Do you understand what that means?"
This made it into the drama, too!
"You... How did you get tangled up with him? Can't you keep it in your pants?"
The real tragedy was that Zhao Yunlan had yet to get it out of his pants.
LOLOLOL!
Zhao Yunlan looked like an illiterate punk, but his appearance was deceiving. He had an impressive knowledge of ancient texts, letting him quickly skim through a book, and he was familiar with several ancient languages. Now he sat cross-legged on the tall metal ladder and got to work.
Very cool!
"Iv...this is something that's imbossible...but it still habbened-happened, thin someone mod...mad...made...it happen."
I really like Sangzan being smart and working with ZYL to figure things out!
Again, Zhao Yunlan thought of his dream. Who had been talking to him?
I have entirely forgotten about this already. /o\
I put on the merit shackles of my own will.
Ooh, and this made it into the drama too, when CSZ tells the Regent he's wearing the spring and autumn shackles voluntarily! One of those rare instances where they didn't recontextualise things quite enough, IMO, so it doesn't entirely make sense removed from the novel context.
"That's right! I'm not afraid to say it. So what? I don't regret it! If I had it to do all over again, I'd still skin the little brat and tear out his tendons and just sit in jail for another three hundred years! What's this shit about merits and sins, adults and children? To me, there are two types of people: those I can kill, and those I can't. If they're forcing me like this, if my crimes are so unforgivable that three hundred years aren't enough to atone, then why shouldn't I commit the crimes I've been charged for? If I rack up a few more offenses, this transaction would be worth it! From now on, everyone had better keep an eye on their kids, or the bone flute might scatter their souls, never to return!"
Oh CSZ! I don't think he literally means it - I think GCC is right about that - and I really can't blame him for lashing out. And GCC not being afraid of his threats, and calling him a good man, makes it easier for him to calm down.
And ZYL, no matter how furious he is at CSZ, is 100% determined to sort this out somehow. (I wonder if he has a proper plan before the Magistrate hands him the opportunity?)
The reaper is already on their way. No matter what they want you to do, under no circumstances should you agree. Wait for me to come home. -Wei
AAARGH, does SW know ZYL at all? That practically guarantees ZYL will agree to something, LOL.
Kunlun spoke, saying, 'Stone that is aged but not yet old, water that is frozen but not yet cold, body that is dead but not yet born, soul that is melted but not yet burned,' and thus were the Pillars sealed.
And another bit that doesn't quite come together (for me) in the drama!
"Ghost Face wears a mask. But I'm pretty sure I know what he looks like underneath."
Ha! Mianmian was hinting rather broadly, wasn't he? But of course ZYL picked up on it.
Shen Wei thinks too much. He's kind to everyone but himself. I don't know why he hates himself so much, but I'm really worried that he'll..."
ZYL is right about that, and I'm very curious what he's worried SW will do, but I don't have a clue. *g*
"No? I was at my mother's all afternoon watching a rerun of the New Year's Gala. I honestly wasn't paying attention."
LOL!
ZYL playing dumb, the Magistrate knowing but unable to make him stop, this is delightful. :D
the Guardian was audacious, slippery, and sneaky, and had only ever mastered three talents: shamelessness, leading people in circles, and evasion
LOLOLOL!
It had been the Magistrate himself who decided to go to extreme measures to wake Kunlun-jun's spirit, which was sealed within Zhao Yunlan. He had instructed his subordinates to force open Zhao Yunlan's Heavenly Eye-by any means necessary-and left them to figure it out.
Unfortunately, some useless underling had gone and asked the Crow tribe for help. The carrion-feeding Crow tribe had always answered to the Netherworld. Having a crow carry out the plan was the same as hanging a neon sign announcing who was actually responsible. Who had been foolish enough to come up with that idea?
And more LOLOLOL!
"Oh, so you're saying I'm the only one who has a travel pass to Kunlun Mountain?"
"That's correct."
Zhao Yunlan reached out and tapped the face on the Wanted notice. "Okay, then how did this-what did you call him, 'demon king'? How'd he get up there? Does he have secret VIP access? Is he Pangu's brother-in-law?"
This reminds me of drama!ZYL asking how all these Dixingren got to Haixing if only the Envoy and the Regent can use the passage! But it's a lot funnier. *g*
And I love how ZYL just utterly confuses the Magistrate, heh. And also that the Magistrate is clearly aware that the Emissary would be jealous of ZYL's lover, but also seems to be utterly incapable of even considering that that lover could possibly be the Emissary. Hee!
Very good on ZYL for using this to get more than just CSZ's situation sorted out!
Daqing's fur bristled. "Don't speak nonsense!"
Zhao Yunlan shut up, perhaps realizing that wasn't something he was capable of.
LOLOLOL!
Version comparison:
This is what Daqing asks for in the fan translation, and possibly the origin of the swing in ZYL's drama flat?
Da Qing is flustered and petrified. Then, it asks in a feeble voice, "Then... you... what... how far have you gone?"
Zhao Yunlan rubs his nose, "Not far, we've been in bed together, but we only slept; he's too shy, he doesn't let me touch him."
Da Qing: "... ..."
In bed... together... shy... doesn't let him touch......
These words are like a bombing raid; explosions echo around Da Qing and its soul is bombarded with force even greater than thunder and lightning from the Nine Heavens.
At an instant, images of Zhao Yunlan and Professor Shen together flash across Da Qing's mind. Every memory punctures an endless abyss in its brain; all of a sudden, this poor black cat experiences some sort of otherwordly wonder and philosophical lament... motherfucker, is there a worse cat owner in this world than Zhao?
Da Qing struggles to extend its neck beyond the thick layer of meat, and stares at Zhao Yunlan for long with deference, admiration and incredulity. Then, truest words have never been said: "What a pervert."
"So you're saying that the Soul Slayer wasn't born in the depths of Hell?"
"Perhaps somewhere nearby. But I think he is only working with Hell for a mutual partnership, they are not actually related." Da Qing says, "I can't say for sure about incidents that are too ancient in time, I can only hazard a guess. Most say that Houtu is the earth, but the true earth was formed when Pangu struck with an axe and destroyed Chaos. Just think, Nuwa repaired the Heavens, she finished her job, why did she have to turn into Houtu and become one with the earth? Was she trying to cover up the true earth? Whatever is down there, it must be somewhat related to the Soul Slayer."
The cigarette in Zhao Yunlan's hand is almost burnt out, but he does not notice.
And also this bit:
"Too late." Zhao Yunlan puts out the cigarette and throws it on the floor among the debris, "You're telling me this way too late."
Da Qing says grumpily, "That's because when you first started courting him, you didn't tell me who he was! Otherwise I would have stopped you no matter what it took..."
"No, when I say you're too late," Zhao Yunlan interrupts, "I don't mean this past half a year, I mean you're late by a few thousand years."
Zhao Yunlan waves, feigns helplessness and takes out a piece of letter paper from his desk, and begins writing while he says, "Forget it, Lao Chu and I are not on good terms, so I really don't have enough backup right now. But this is an important matter, of course I won't be the one who hampers it, I can't bear this sin..."
The judge seems to be getting used to his torture. A breath is held in suspense; in a horror movie, if the sky is clear and bright, something menacing must be looming. The judge looks at Zhao Yunlan with increasing anxiety.
Zhao Yunlan continues, "It's not convenient for me to go, but you people don't dare to take the Guardian Order either, so I have come up with the perfect plan: find someone who dares to take it..."
The judge instantly has a bad feeling. He takes a look at the letter, and barely understands Zhao Yunlan's chicken-scratch: "Lord Soul Slayer, take this letter as my person."
The judge almost falls off the chair.
Hell is of course not too afraid to take the Guardian Order. This is nothing but a scheme of those ten ruling Hell: they thought that three of the Four Mystical Artifacts have emerged, the Sundial is with Ghost Face, the Pillar is nowhere to be found, and the Soul Slayer naturally has no intention of handing it away. Who can say for sure that the Soul Slayer will never try to do what Ghost Face is doing? If he turns, what will they do then?
There is no-one on Hell's side who can stand up to those two mighty gods, so all they can think of is to use Zhao Yunlan to threaten the Soul Slayer.
But this Guardian is no average Joe, what goes on in his mind can almost qualify him for ascending to godhood, it's no wonder trying to take advantage of him is virtually impossible, isn't it? The judge feels like Zhao Yunlan already knows everything they're thinking, and he is only toying around with him.
He doesn't know exactly how much Zhao Yunlan has figured out, or whether he has a plan that the Soul Slayer also knows, but he simply can't handle this anymore; his face sinks, "What does the Guardian mean by this?"
Zhao Yunlan says innocently, "Nothing really, does the judge think this is inappropriate?"
The judge stares at him coldly.
Zhao Yunlan continues, acting surprised, "Hmm, how come? Doesn't the Soul Slayer come from Hell as well?"
"... ..."
Zhao Yunlan has once again asked a question he cannot answer.
After moments of painful silence, the judge finally understands what is meant by "to hide a lie, a thousand more are needed". He says rigidly, "That foul creature was born beneath Hell in front of the Primeval Tree of Virtue, and is somewhat related to the Soul Slayer, so it might be inconvenient for him."
"Oh," Zhao Yunlan's smirk wears down a little, and nods, "and here I thought the judge would stick by 'not talking about the great saints behind their backs", turns out beating around the bush gets us nowhere, though, wouldn't you agree? You worry about him, I can understand that... this is my being inconsiderate then."
He crumpled up the letter into a ball, "I will go with you."
"A tooth for a tooth, an eye for an eye." Zhao Yunlan's face darkens, "The Kings of Hell have a term of a century; this batch has only been up for 20, and they have been more and more delporable. I never meant to cross them, but they messed with me in the first place... so, I'm taking you with me up to Kunlun, Mount Kunlun is a forbidden and sacred place, not a backyard for their freak show."
(I need to go to bed now - more comments tomorrow!)