Yes! They're both besieged in different ways, and while Shen Wei is being outright attacked, what's going on in Haixing isn't any less dangerous for (so far) being less violent.
This actually made me wonder if they're besieged in exactly the same way: with a leader (or co-leader) who is refusing to address the reality of the problem and just trying to buy time without having a plan or doing anything constructive. Or something?
I'm not sure I understand, who would make for more of a one-to-one analogy?
I meant Sha Ya ≡ Ye Zun, so shouldn't the SW/ZYL-equivalent relationship be with Hua Yuzhu?
but also with Sha Ya telling Shen Wei to tell Lin Jing "we will meet again one day", which is also what Kunlun promises YOHE!Shen Wei. And what, later in this episode, despite not having heard Sha Ya's message, Lin Jing tells the SID when he's leaving.
Ooh, good catch!
And OMG do I ever wish we could have seen the scene where Lin Jing talked to Shen Wei and asked him to pass this message on! *g*
LOLOL! I hadn't thought of that. *wants*
We talked the other day about Hua Yuzhu's reasons for her silence about what really happened to Gu Ban; here she reveals that part of it is that she blames herself and thinks Gu Ban died because of her.
Oh, I missed that somehow. I guess that makes sense, in the logic of trauma.
And as for Sha Ya's reaction to the revelations, she calls herself ridiculous, and Shen Wei seems to have a reaction - looks like this is touching something in him.
I thought he was just noting her repentance, and would take it into account when delivering her to the palace. It doesn't look that personal a reaction to me.
The way I understand it, he thinks they should go public now, so they have a chance to control over the way the information is presented, and can spin everything in a way more likely to keep people calm. If they don't, at best they've left things to chance; at worst they've handed this chance to their enemies instead.
Yeah, he really does seem to have given up on the idea of stopping the attacks before they start. Things are moving forward now, whether he likes it or not. I feel like he should be shoring up their defences well beyond worrying about public perception, but I guess it's hard when they don't know what form the next attack will take.
I wonder why he chose that avenue of attack over something more obvious, like killing them?
I think he likes toying with / torturing people -- which also ties into Ya Qing's reluctance and distaste for this tactic, maybe?
No, he still used it during the rooftop confrontation with Sha Ya, but she electrocuted him and it there, so I assume that's when it broke.
Ah, thanks!
Zhao Yunlan seems to treat the Haixing Inspectorate and the lab as more of a threat to the SID and its mission than Dixing, which is very interesting since we're talking about his own superiors ...
I guess they're more present and are empowered to assert themselves over the SID. But this is a new development, right? Over the course of the show...
The way I read it, the Envoy is hedging his bets - on the one hand, completely expecting the Envoy to win this fight and save the day, but also not willing to risk openly taking a stand against Ye Zun before that.
In his reluctant defence, Ye Zun probably wouldn't have hesitated to have him killed if he resisted, would he? Most of the Regent's power stems from having lackeys, and now his lackeys have been turned against him.
Or maybe the Dijun isn't able to do anything that Ye Zun would care about? If he can't act on his own, and everyone he might give orders to has been suborned, does it matter?
True. But symbolically?
Re Shen Wei's teleporting power -- maybe it requires a degree of dark energy that's only available to him in Dixing?
Huh, I hadn't thought about that, but they might be! I'd thought it was maybe the effect of some weird Dixing power from one of Ye Zun's flunkies, but couldn't figure out the point.
Presumably it will become clear. :-)
But also, I don't think Shen Wei is at the point where he really wants to provoke Ye Zun into eating him, just yet. He's ready to take the opportunity if Ye Zun goes for it, but I don't think he believes just yet that there's no other way to deal with this.
I think it depends how wounded he is. And either way, he must be getting close to thinking it's time. Ye Zun is free, and he's so dangerous!!
Is this Zhang Shi from the start? I thought it might well be Zhao Xinci at the start, since him saying that so long as the SID is on the same page as them there's no problem seemed like a veiled threat to me - "get on the same page, or else".
I'm pretty sure it's Zhang Shi -- he's conciliatory, and he tries to cajole ZYL into behaving (talks to him, rather than Minister Gao), instead of criticising or browbeating him. Also, his expression just looks more Zhang Shi-ish to me. But I might be wrong. :-)
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This actually made me wonder if they're besieged in exactly the same way: with a leader (or co-leader) who is refusing to address the reality of the problem and just trying to buy time without having a plan or doing anything constructive. Or something?
I'm not sure I understand, who would make for more of a one-to-one analogy?
I meant Sha Ya ≡ Ye Zun, so shouldn't the SW/ZYL-equivalent relationship be with Hua Yuzhu?
but also with Sha Ya telling Shen Wei to tell Lin Jing "we will meet again one day", which is also what Kunlun promises YOHE!Shen Wei. And what, later in this episode, despite not having heard Sha Ya's message, Lin Jing tells the SID when he's leaving.
Ooh, good catch!
And OMG do I ever wish we could have seen the scene where Lin Jing talked to Shen Wei and asked him to pass this message on! *g*
LOLOL! I hadn't thought of that. *wants*
We talked the other day about Hua Yuzhu's reasons for her silence about what really happened to Gu Ban; here she reveals that part of it is that she blames herself and thinks Gu Ban died because of her.
Oh, I missed that somehow. I guess that makes sense, in the logic of trauma.
And as for Sha Ya's reaction to the revelations, she calls herself ridiculous, and Shen Wei seems to have a reaction - looks like this is touching something in him.
I thought he was just noting her repentance, and would take it into account when delivering her to the palace. It doesn't look that personal a reaction to me.
The way I understand it, he thinks they should go public now, so they have a chance to control over the way the information is presented, and can spin everything in a way more likely to keep people calm. If they don't, at best they've left things to chance; at worst they've handed this chance to their enemies instead.
Yeah, he really does seem to have given up on the idea of stopping the attacks before they start. Things are moving forward now, whether he likes it or not. I feel like he should be shoring up their defences well beyond worrying about public perception, but I guess it's hard when they don't know what form the next attack will take.
I wonder why he chose that avenue of attack over something more obvious, like killing them?
I think he likes toying with / torturing people -- which also ties into Ya Qing's reluctance and distaste for this tactic, maybe?
No, he still used it during the rooftop confrontation with Sha Ya, but she electrocuted him and it there, so I assume that's when it broke.
Ah, thanks!
Zhao Yunlan seems to treat the Haixing Inspectorate and the lab as more of a threat to the SID and its mission than Dixing, which is very interesting since we're talking about his own superiors ...
I guess they're more present and are empowered to assert themselves over the SID. But this is a new development, right? Over the course of the show...
The way I read it, the Envoy is hedging his bets - on the one hand, completely expecting the Envoy to win this fight and save the day, but also not willing to risk openly taking a stand against Ye Zun before that.
In his reluctant defence, Ye Zun probably wouldn't have hesitated to have him killed if he resisted, would he? Most of the Regent's power stems from having lackeys, and now his lackeys have been turned against him.
Or maybe the Dijun isn't able to do anything that Ye Zun would care about? If he can't act on his own, and everyone he might give orders to has been suborned, does it matter?
True. But symbolically?
Re Shen Wei's teleporting power -- maybe it requires a degree of dark energy that's only available to him in Dixing?
Huh, I hadn't thought about that, but they might be! I'd thought it was maybe the effect of some weird Dixing power from one of Ye Zun's flunkies, but couldn't figure out the point.
Presumably it will become clear. :-)
But also, I don't think Shen Wei is at the point where he really wants to provoke Ye Zun into eating him, just yet. He's ready to take the opportunity if Ye Zun goes for it, but I don't think he believes just yet that there's no other way to deal with this.
I think it depends how wounded he is. And either way, he must be getting close to thinking it's time. Ye Zun is free, and he's so dangerous!!
Is this Zhang Shi from the start? I thought it might well be Zhao Xinci at the start, since him saying that so long as the SID is on the same page as them there's no problem seemed like a veiled threat to me - "get on the same page, or else".
I'm pretty sure it's Zhang Shi -- he's conciliatory, and he tries to cajole ZYL into behaving (talks to him, rather than Minister Gao), instead of criticising or browbeating him. Also, his expression just looks more Zhang Shi-ish to me. But I might be wrong. :-)