I think he probably watched a bit at first, but nothing remarkable happened and he started to feel uncomfortable about the invasion of privacy, maybe? And their relationship developed.
Yeah, taht makes sense to me!
Plus I suspect he assumed Lin Jing would have arranged the feed to have better security. (Or wait, did Lin Jing have anything to do with it? I can't remember.)
Since he gets Chu Shuzhi to deliver the banner, this is definitely an official SID thing, so Lin Jing naturally would have been involved. Yeah, idk either about the total absence of any security! Whatever Lin Jing is good at, cybersecurity isn't part of it. *g*
My understanding is Ding Dun stole it when the Regent let him out of prison, which must have been before Ding Dun's jaunt to Haixing, right? (I need a timeline of Ding Dun, but I don't care enough to make one. *g*)
I did get started trying to work out a Unified Theory of Ding Dun™ at one point, but got stuck. Some day maybe I'll come back to it. *g* Anyway - the thing is, if he did steal it before, then he left it somewhere, went to Haixing, got himself killed, had his body taken back to Dixing, got himself brought back to lifesomehow, and then went and picked up the Dijun Register again, destroying it only moments before Shen Wei found him.
I don't think the Regent would have arranged for it to disappear -- it's useful for governing, and the Regent wants to keep power
I thought he might have had Ding Dun disappear it, expecting to get it back in secret, but instead Ding Dun ended up destroying it.
Either way, I think we can all agree that Ding Dun is confusing as hell. *g*
(and presumably doesn't want to have to grovel to the Envoy, though in reality he really doesn't seem too bothered by grovelling or to hold a grudge at all -- so weird!)
Yeah, I think "not grovelling" is not one of his priorities at all! He grovels all the time, and he really doesn't have to. (Who was it who theorised that his power was that no one could kill him after he'd grovelled to them? *g*)
True, and he has seen Shen Wei basically bring someone back from the dead, so he has reason to have great faith in his powers. (He's absolutely not taking into account that Shen Wei is politically constrained in Dixing -- he can't just throw his weight around and do whatever he wants! As we discover at the start of the next ep.)
Yeah, all true! He far overestimates the Envoy's political power - he has no clue about Dixing politics. And the Regent is giving him a very false impression here too.
But I think Zhao Yunlan might have gone anyway, out of curiosity (see Shen Wei's homeland!) and in order to find the Dijun's Register, once he understood what it was and why it was important. Would it be any different from touching the Hallows in hopes of a useful vision? And however untrustworthy the Regent is, surely he doesn't want to cause an interdimensional incident? /ZYL logic
Poor Zhao Yunlan and his entirely reasonable yet still wrong logic!
Ahh, I missed that! The original subs read like he asked what Zhu Jiu might want the Hallows for.
The original subs have it as "how useful the holy device is for them". Looking at the Chinese, I'm pretty sure it does mean "what effect the Hallows have on them".
(Man, I'm going to have to switch subs, aren't I? *wrestles with change resistance*)
LOL, this is why I constantly check multiple different subs (original Engsub/Viki/Solo/original Chinese). *g*
Well, they imply that his investigations aren't reliable, and Cong Bo doesn't resort to "but I'm right about this one!" so I figured they were undermining his confidence in all of them? Idk. Maybe just his confidence that his revelations are making the world any better. News of those layoffs hit really hard, I think.
Agreed about shattering his confidence! Zhao Yunlan does say that the info is all true, including what Cong Bo recorded - they're just not the whole picture. So in Shen Wei's case, what's in the video (the use of powers) is also not being denied.
Get-togethers at this era work fine for me. I think their relationship is always going to be a work in progress because of Shen Wei's many many secrets, and they have limited time. By now, Zhao Yunlan is starting to level up, and the more togetherness, the better!
It can work for me, but I need a lot more convincing than I do even a few episodes later. *g* Totally agreed on the work in progress, of course.
I think the earliest I easily buy it is after the Dixing trip.
Well, Shen Wei will object vigorously and employ all his disapproval to dissuade him. But I don't think Shen Wei actually gets to decide for Zhao Yunlan, you know?
Of course not, that's not what I meant. But Shen Wei does physically grab his arm when Zhao Yunlan lifts the Awl's cover, and I think if Zhao Yunlan insisted on continuing with the Awl without explaining his thinking to Shen Wei now that Shen Wei is already here, that would feel so uncharacteristic, Shen Wei would be concerned about outside influence ...
Even when he says, "You can't go [to Dixing]!" he backs down from that pretty quickly. Neither of them has jurisdiction over the other.
In my fic draft, I have this: In retrospect, he regretted not looping Shen Wei in beforehand; he’d thought the Envoy and the Regent were, if not friends, at least trusted allies, ruling Dixing together with the Dijun, but this wasn’t the surprise reunion he’d anticipated.
I love this! ♥
Yeah, if even Shen Wei is snapping at the Regent in front of everyone, risking his cover, then we really can't blame Lao Chu for losing his cool!
Ha, excellent point! (To be fair, Zhao Yunlan had no way of knowing just how infuriating the Regent is.)
I think Zhao Yunlan is showboating by not giving everyone a heads up. He's curious, but he's also demonstrating his own status. (He can't show off being close with the Envoy yet; this could be the next best thing?)
Oh, very interesting interpretation! Yeah, I can see that. And it goes wrong basically from the first moment, LOL. *pets him*
(What's 属下?)
It means subordinate, and is a very deferential/submissive way of referring to yourself. Here it fits in with the grovelling in totally misrepresenting the Regent's status in relation to the Envoy!
Yes. Hmm, what's it an excuse for, though? Is it that Shen Wei (in general) has never been furious, powerful Envoy at him specifically?
Yeah, I think he's covering for the adrenaline shock going with having Shen Wei aim all that Envoy power at him. He's a bit overwhelmed - but not necessarily in a bad way! Actually, it looks to me like he finds it not at all offputting - the opposite, rather. *g* (In other words, Shen Wei is HOT like this! :D)
Just for an instant, Shen Wei wasn’t seeing Zhao Yunlan, not any version of him, and in that instant, Zhao Yunlan understood what he hadn’t before: that as long as they’d been working together, the Envoy had been careful with the SID, gentle, sparing them the full force of his power. Now, even this small rebuke felt like getting struck in the face by a lightning bolt, blinding and elemental, and that was with the constraints of the Guardian Token and being in Haixing. What the hell kind of presence did the Envoy have in his native land?
Very very cool! Yeah, that's such a great point about the contrast between how the Envoy usually interacts with the SID, and how he is here. ♥ ♥ ♥
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Yeah, taht makes sense to me!
Plus I suspect he assumed Lin Jing would have arranged the feed to have better security. (Or wait, did Lin Jing have anything to do with it? I can't remember.)
Since he gets Chu Shuzhi to deliver the banner, this is definitely an official SID thing, so Lin Jing naturally would have been involved. Yeah, idk either about the total absence of any security! Whatever Lin Jing is good at, cybersecurity isn't part of it. *g*
My understanding is Ding Dun stole it when the Regent let him out of prison, which must have been before Ding Dun's jaunt to Haixing, right? (I need a timeline of Ding Dun, but I don't care enough to make one. *g*)
I did get started trying to work out a Unified Theory of Ding Dun™ at one point, but got stuck. Some day maybe I'll come back to it. *g* Anyway - the thing is, if he did steal it before, then he left it somewhere, went to Haixing, got himself killed, had his body taken back to Dixing, got himself brought back to lifesomehow, and then went and picked up the Dijun Register again, destroying it only moments before Shen Wei found him.
I don't think the Regent would have arranged for it to disappear -- it's useful for governing, and the Regent wants to keep power
I thought he might have had Ding Dun disappear it, expecting to get it back in secret, but instead Ding Dun ended up destroying it.
Either way, I think we can all agree that Ding Dun is confusing as hell. *g*
(and presumably doesn't want to have to grovel to the Envoy, though in reality he really doesn't seem too bothered by grovelling or to hold a grudge at all -- so weird!)
Yeah, I think "not grovelling" is not one of his priorities at all! He grovels all the time, and he really doesn't have to. (Who was it who theorised that his power was that no one could kill him after he'd grovelled to them? *g*)
True, and he has seen Shen Wei basically bring someone back from the dead, so he has reason to have great faith in his powers. (He's absolutely not taking into account that Shen Wei is politically constrained in Dixing -- he can't just throw his weight around and do whatever he wants! As we discover at the start of the next ep.)
Yeah, all true! He far overestimates the Envoy's political power - he has no clue about Dixing politics. And the Regent is giving him a very false impression here too.
But I think Zhao Yunlan might have gone anyway, out of curiosity (see Shen Wei's homeland!) and in order to find the Dijun's Register, once he understood what it was and why it was important. Would it be any different from touching the Hallows in hopes of a useful vision? And however untrustworthy the Regent is, surely he doesn't want to cause an interdimensional incident? /ZYL logic
Poor Zhao Yunlan and his entirely reasonable yet still wrong logic!
Ahh, I missed that! The original subs read like he asked what Zhu Jiu might want the Hallows for.
The original subs have it as "how useful the holy device is for them". Looking at the Chinese, I'm pretty sure it does mean "what effect the Hallows have on them".
(Man, I'm going to have to switch subs, aren't I? *wrestles with change resistance*)
LOL, this is why I constantly check multiple different subs (original Engsub/Viki/Solo/original Chinese). *g*
Well, they imply that his investigations aren't reliable, and Cong Bo doesn't resort to "but I'm right about this one!" so I figured they were undermining his confidence in all of them? Idk. Maybe just his confidence that his revelations are making the world any better. News of those layoffs hit really hard, I think.
Agreed about shattering his confidence! Zhao Yunlan does say that the info is all true, including what Cong Bo recorded - they're just not the whole picture. So in Shen Wei's case, what's in the video (the use of powers) is also not being denied.
Get-togethers at this era work fine for me. I think their relationship is always going to be a work in progress because of Shen Wei's many many secrets, and they have limited time. By now, Zhao Yunlan is starting to level up, and the more togetherness, the better!
It can work for me, but I need a lot more convincing than I do even a few episodes later. *g* Totally agreed on the work in progress, of course.
I think the earliest I easily buy it is after the Dixing trip.
Well, Shen Wei will object vigorously and employ all his disapproval to dissuade him. But I don't think Shen Wei actually gets to decide for Zhao Yunlan, you know?
Of course not, that's not what I meant. But Shen Wei does physically grab his arm when Zhao Yunlan lifts the Awl's cover, and I think if Zhao Yunlan insisted on continuing with the Awl without explaining his thinking to Shen Wei now that Shen Wei is already here, that would feel so uncharacteristic, Shen Wei would be concerned about outside influence ...
Even when he says, "You can't go [to Dixing]!" he backs down from that pretty quickly. Neither of them has jurisdiction over the other.
In my fic draft, I have this: In retrospect, he regretted not looping Shen Wei in beforehand; he’d thought the Envoy and the Regent were, if not friends, at least trusted allies, ruling Dixing together with the Dijun, but this wasn’t the surprise reunion he’d anticipated.
I love this! ♥
Yeah, if even Shen Wei is snapping at the Regent in front of everyone, risking his cover, then we really can't blame Lao Chu for losing his cool!
Ha, excellent point! (To be fair, Zhao Yunlan had no way of knowing just how infuriating the Regent is.)
I think Zhao Yunlan is showboating by not giving everyone a heads up. He's curious, but he's also demonstrating his own status. (He can't show off being close with the Envoy yet; this could be the next best thing?)
Oh, very interesting interpretation! Yeah, I can see that. And it goes wrong basically from the first moment, LOL. *pets him*
(What's 属下?)
It means subordinate, and is a very deferential/submissive way of referring to yourself. Here it fits in with the grovelling in totally misrepresenting the Regent's status in relation to the Envoy!
Yes. Hmm, what's it an excuse for, though? Is it that Shen Wei (in general) has never been furious, powerful Envoy at him specifically?
Yeah, I think he's covering for the adrenaline shock going with having Shen Wei aim all that Envoy power at him. He's a bit overwhelmed - but not necessarily in a bad way! Actually, it looks to me like he finds it not at all offputting - the opposite, rather. *g* (In other words, Shen Wei is HOT like this! :D)
Just for an instant, Shen Wei wasn’t seeing Zhao Yunlan, not any version of him, and in that instant, Zhao Yunlan understood what he hadn’t before: that as long as they’d been working together, the Envoy had been careful with the SID, gentle, sparing them the full force of his power. Now, even this small rebuke felt like getting struck in the face by a lightning bolt, blinding and elemental, and that was with the constraints of the Guardian Token and being in Haixing. What the hell kind of presence did the Envoy have in his native land?
Very very cool! Yeah, that's such a great point about the contrast between how the Envoy usually interacts with the SID, and how he is here. ♥ ♥ ♥