Both, but I've always thought it was mostly because he'd passed out. Maybe I'm giving him too much benefit of the doubt.
I think because he's so sharp and quick on the uptake most of the time, it's easy to read both too much and too little into it when he misses a step. *g*
BEST BEST BEST! :D (I've watched that link approximately 13 zillion times. I can't go past it without watching it at least three or four. *g*)
Hee! :D
(Should that be "for me"?)
Oops, yes, typo corrected now!
I really think Shen Wei is expecting something personal here. It must hurt so much to have this intimate echo twisted into a thing that's not only a parody of the memory in his heart, but is asking for something he's already refused so many times.
Yeah, I think he's initially wary because he expects something personal but isn't sure how to respond - and then he's just hurt and angry and frustrated about what it actually turns out to be.
I suspect they're as close as Zhao Xinci is to anyone outside his head. I feel like Zhao Xinci is intensely private, so he might well go drinking with Gao Jingfeng and talk politics and work and ask how Yunlan is doing at the SID (eg, "I hope my brat isn't giving you any trouble"). Gao Jingfeng (who is not the most perceptive person in the world) wouldn't know they're not as close as he feels they are. (Also, maybe Gao Jingfeng does most of the talking. *g*)
Yeah, that makes sense to me. Also Zhao Yunlan not knowing that his father's partner Gao is the same as Minister Gao does work if Zhao Xinci never used his given name back in the day!
Right?? I'd love more cultural context for this -- for example, does the fact that Vice-Minister Guo asks Zhao Yunlan in front of Shen Wei make the extension of the invitation completely normal and natural, or is it still !!!?? :D
Yeah, that's a very good question, I have no idea! I just love that Zhao Yunlan doesn't even consider going alone, and that Shen Wei (who at that point could easily have extricated himself) immediately agrees. As autodach says above, they're a package deal! :D
Ahh, I totally missed that! (It's not in the original subs. ;-p) :D :D :D
Hee! The benefit of watching with different subs!
I think it's precisely because Zhao Yunlan turns away, rather than pressuring the Envoy, that Shen Wei is prepared to discuss it further.
Didn't Zhao Yunlan turn away (even walk away) when it was about taking Lin Yusen's body? He certainly wasn't pressuring the Envoy.
And it's Zhao Yunlan's implicit/implied disagreement with the Envoy's initial judgement that allows Shen Wei to reveal the merciful part of himself via Tan Xiao and Zheng Yi's joyful waving, I think. If Zhao Yunlan seemed perfectly happy for Zheng Yi to be taken away, then would he have done that?
Yes, that's a good point - and ouch, the very idea! It would have hurt something awful if Zhao Yunlan had seemed happy to have Zheng Yi taken away.
Huh, for some reason I thought Shen Wei's energy had expanded to encompass her, partly to contain her powers maybe, and partly as a protective shield?
Huh, that never occurred to me! It really looks like it's Zheng Yi's doing to me.
I think Shen Wei has realised that coordinating with the SID is now a necessity (and the best way of keeping Zhao Yunlan out of danger, given his reckless tendencies). And Zhao Yunlan just, you know, wants Shen Wei close -- at the SID and in other ways too. *g* (I think partly also to protect him, too; Shen Wei facing all the dangers alone is not without its own risks.)
Yeah, all of that makes sense! It just feels like Zhao Yunlan gets very stuck on the "officially join the SID" thing, given how often he brings it up or hints in the direction of it. What elenothar says below - "maybe he wants to be able to have both more official access to Shen Wei (always coming by the university must be a time sink) and be able to really introduce him to the rest of the SID as one of them, which couldn't really happen with either the Envoy or Professor Shen" - makes sense to me too. But, idk, maybe once he asked and Shen Wei turned him down, it also became a thing about winning Shen Wei over, so the more he got turned down, the less he could let it go?
It's very much Bring Your Emotions To Work Day.
Ha, that is a great description!
It's hard to know how brazen Zhao Yunlan would be about it -- he didn't seem to expect it when Shen Wei produced it.
Yeah, that's a good point - he doesn't seem to expect it! Maybe he did bring it up more or less facetiously, and didn't think Shen Wei actually would.
I was wondering that too. He could be looking for Hallows, or dark energy, or seeing if there are any Dixingren in the building (either working or being used as experiment subjects)? I'm really not sure.
I'm not sure either, but given I theorised above that the siren at the lab may have been due to black energy manifestation, maybe he sensed that!
Btw, he hears Zhao Yunlan coming through the door, right? I think he'd also hear if anyone was coming along the hall.
Yeah, he does clearly hear Zhao Yunlan through the door! Agreed, he'd likely notice anyone coming down the hall long before they had a chance to see him.
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I think because he's so sharp and quick on the uptake most of the time, it's easy to read both too much and too little into it when he misses a step. *g*
BEST BEST BEST! :D (I've watched that link approximately 13 zillion times. I can't go past it without watching it at least three or four. *g*)
Hee! :D
(Should that be "for me"?)
Oops, yes, typo corrected now!
I really think Shen Wei is expecting something personal here. It must hurt so much to have this intimate echo twisted into a thing that's not only a parody of the memory in his heart, but is asking for something he's already refused so many times.
Yeah, I think he's initially wary because he expects something personal but isn't sure how to respond - and then he's just hurt and angry and frustrated about what it actually turns out to be.
I suspect they're as close as Zhao Xinci is to anyone outside his head. I feel like Zhao Xinci is intensely private, so he might well go drinking with Gao Jingfeng and talk politics and work and ask how Yunlan is doing at the SID (eg, "I hope my brat isn't giving you any trouble"). Gao Jingfeng (who is not the most perceptive person in the world) wouldn't know they're not as close as he feels they are. (Also, maybe Gao Jingfeng does most of the talking. *g*)
Yeah, that makes sense to me. Also Zhao Yunlan not knowing that his father's partner Gao is the same as Minister Gao does work if Zhao Xinci never used his given name back in the day!
Right?? I'd love more cultural context for this -- for example, does the fact that Vice-Minister Guo asks Zhao Yunlan in front of Shen Wei make the extension of the invitation completely normal and natural, or is it still !!!?? :D
Yeah, that's a very good question, I have no idea! I just love that Zhao Yunlan doesn't even consider going alone, and that Shen Wei (who at that point could easily have extricated himself) immediately agrees. As
Ahh, I totally missed that! (It's not in the original subs. ;-p) :D :D :D
Hee! The benefit of watching with different subs!
I think it's precisely because Zhao Yunlan turns away, rather than pressuring the Envoy, that Shen Wei is prepared to discuss it further.
Didn't Zhao Yunlan turn away (even walk away) when it was about taking Lin Yusen's body? He certainly wasn't pressuring the Envoy.
And it's Zhao Yunlan's implicit/implied disagreement with the Envoy's initial judgement that allows Shen Wei to reveal the merciful part of himself via Tan Xiao and Zheng Yi's joyful waving, I think. If Zhao Yunlan seemed perfectly happy for Zheng Yi to be taken away, then would he have done that?
Yes, that's a good point - and ouch, the very idea! It would have hurt something awful if Zhao Yunlan had seemed happy to have Zheng Yi taken away.
Huh, for some reason I thought Shen Wei's energy had expanded to encompass her, partly to contain her powers maybe, and partly as a protective shield?
Huh, that never occurred to me! It really looks like it's Zheng Yi's doing to me.
I think Shen Wei has realised that coordinating with the SID is now a necessity (and the best way of keeping Zhao Yunlan out of danger, given his reckless tendencies). And Zhao Yunlan just, you know, wants Shen Wei close -- at the SID and in other ways too. *g* (I think partly also to protect him, too; Shen Wei facing all the dangers alone is not without its own risks.)
Yeah, all of that makes sense! It just feels like Zhao Yunlan gets very stuck on the "officially join the SID" thing, given how often he brings it up or hints in the direction of it. What
It's very much Bring Your Emotions To Work Day.
Ha, that is a great description!
It's hard to know how brazen Zhao Yunlan would be about it -- he didn't seem to expect it when Shen Wei produced it.
Yeah, that's a good point - he doesn't seem to expect it! Maybe he did bring it up more or less facetiously, and didn't think Shen Wei actually would.
I was wondering that too. He could be looking for Hallows, or dark energy, or seeing if there are any Dixingren in the building (either working or being used as experiment subjects)? I'm really not sure.
I'm not sure either, but given I theorised above that the siren at the lab may have been due to black energy manifestation, maybe he sensed that!
Btw, he hears Zhao Yunlan coming through the door, right? I think he'd also hear if anyone was coming along the hall.
Yeah, he does clearly hear Zhao Yunlan through the door! Agreed, he'd likely notice anyone coming down the hall long before they had a chance to see him.