I thought the slow motion was just the camera, and Tan Xiao got lucky, but I like the idea of Hallows shenanigans!
It looks like it's just the camerawork, but at the same time: he hears the mechanism, has time to turn, realise what's happening, and throw himself out of the way, so either the mechanism is verrrrry slow, Tan Xiao has incredible reflexes, or there's something going on. *g*
But what I meant is that what he talks about is all personal feelings - his desire to hear him say the truth, his confusion and lack of understanding for how Shen Wei is acting.
True, it's definitely personal, but I think everything is, for ZYL, so... I guess I'm not sure that's a very useful distinction? His conflicts with Zhu Hong and Lin Jing are the same. When he finds out about Lin Jing's spying, that's a personal betrayal (as well as a professional one). And Shen Wei has been deceiving the SID, too -- working with them under false pretences. I... don't really know what I'm trying to argue here, tbh. But yeah, he's definitely feeling these things very deeply and on a very personal level. Agreed!
But at the same time, the trust between them has been building slowly, and no matter how important their relationship is to both of them already, it feels to me like they haven't reached the point beyond which Zhao Yunlan would definitely have a right to feel betrayed.
I think Zhao Yunlan still has residual feelings of being exposed by [all of episode 8 *g*], and the idea that Shen Wei has seen behind his front, seen his weaknesses and seems to really get him on a fundamental level, and seems to really like him (and ZYL himself is head over heels at this point), and he made himself vulnerable by drinking Zhao Yunlan's drink -- but he's still keeping up this wall between them... I mean. And it's not even that Shen Wei should have told him earlier, but Zhao Yunlan is sitting here now, he knows now, and Shen Wei is still refusing to let him in?
(And I'm thinking, too, how Zhao Yunlan's closest relationship is with Da Qing, and they seem to tell each other everything. So Zhao Yunlan's default expectation for friendship is like that? Imagine if Da Qing had a whole separate identity he hadn't told Zhao Yunlan about?! Especially one that Zhao Yunlan interacted with!)
The other thing is that Zhao Yunlan isn't just asking his personal friend to confide in him; he is asking the Envoy, because there's no separating the two. Shen Wei can't confide in Zhao Yunlan personally without also confiding in him as the Envoy. Zhao Yunlan talks to him entirely as the Shen Wei he's come to know (maybe because he doesn't want things between them to be different?), and even though he's asking for the truth about him being the Envoy, he's at the same time not really acknowledging it in the way he talks to him, you know?
Yes, absolutely! And that's a massive problem from Shen Wei's side. But for Zhao Yunlan -- it's Shen Wei who's been lying to him, claiming over and over to be an ordinary person. The Envoy hasn't lied; he's just been the Envoy.
And if Zhao Yunlan did turn up in Professor Shen's office and treated him very formally, wouldn't that be just as bad for Shen Wei? Wouldn't that hurt like hell? Because Shen Wei has really put himself out there to build this friendship between them, and Zhao Yunlan's feelings for the Envoy are obviously much less warm and friendly and open. (Someone should absolutely write this!)
whereas Shen Wei is very much not planning to hide forever
Do you think he had a time frame in mind? If his hand hadn't been forced, then when might he have revealed the truth? Once Zhu Jiu was neutralised?
But at this point neither of them have any idea yet just how high the stakes will end up being, so it makes sense that Shen Wei isn't taking that into account.
Yes, very true. Zhu Jiu has murdered Ding Dun and stirred up a lot of trouble, but it doesn't feel like imminent war yet!
Tbh I'm not sure if Zhao Yunlan does know it, but he could have thought of it.
He was listening in when the chancellor and Shen Wei talked about Li Qian dropping out, so depending on what he made of that conversation... But yeah, he doesn't know that Shen Wei has been politely evicted from the teachers' dorms because of him.
Oooh, good thinking about when he figures it out! Though I'm not quite following, how does that relate to subverting Lin Jing's science project?
If he thinks the main threat is technological rather than Dixing-powers driven, then Lin Jing's defence is less important? Idk. What do they actually know that Zheng Yi has done at that point?
I'm never sure what he actually means - whether he's questioning why Shen Wei is living in Haixing, or why he's getting involved with the SID, or ...?
I assumed Haixing, but returning to the SID has to be part of it too, maybe. Interesting! I need to think about this some more. :-)
Shen Yi would totally prove Shen Wei and Hei Pao Shi are the same people by drawing his chin, or his eyes, or something. *g*
Hee!
I'm not sure that tallies - if that's what he's thinking, he's leaving the very dangerous Zheng Yi in SID custody while taking Tan Xiao away, after all ...
Oh, true! Huh.
the more Zhao Yunlan insists, the more less Shen Wei is going to give in. And that's a good point about how Zhao Yunlan is acting towards him. Like I said above, I wonder if it might have gone differently if Zhao Yunlan had approached him differently ...
They're both being So Very Them! Shen Wei has compartmentalised and is refusing to/can't stop, and is frustrated that Zhao Yunlan won't accept that and stick to the rules Shen Wei has put in place; and Zhao Yunlan is going, "Ohhhh, these are the rules! How can I use/subvert them to find out more and get closer?" Like, if Shen Wei is going to insist he's just Professor Shen, who has always treated ZYL as a friend and equal, and who ZYL has always gone to for info, then of course ZYL is going to go to him in this instance, too. (Shen Wei had his chance to change the rules / set a new mode between them over the last week since the Hanga arc, but he didn't take it.)
Oooh, do you think Shen Wei put himself in stasis for the scan? Is that why he initially doesn't respond when Zhao Yunlan speaks to him?
Yeah, that's what I was thinking.
And yeah, I don't think it was romantic in intent, but then Shen Wei opens his eyes and Zhao Yunlan is so flustered, it sort of makes it romantic in retrospect. *g*
Hee! That makes sense. *smishes them*
And then Zhao Yunlan badly fakes his headache again, and Shen Wei stalks off like he did from the old books thing. Because ZYL still hasn't got it!
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It looks like it's just the camerawork, but at the same time: he hears the mechanism, has time to turn, realise what's happening, and throw himself out of the way, so either the mechanism is verrrrry slow, Tan Xiao has incredible reflexes, or there's something going on. *g*
But what I meant is that what he talks about is all personal feelings - his desire to hear him say the truth, his confusion and lack of understanding for how Shen Wei is acting.
True, it's definitely personal, but I think everything is, for ZYL, so... I guess I'm not sure that's a very useful distinction? His conflicts with Zhu Hong and Lin Jing are the same. When he finds out about Lin Jing's spying, that's a personal betrayal (as well as a professional one). And Shen Wei has been deceiving the SID, too -- working with them under false pretences. I... don't really know what I'm trying to argue here, tbh. But yeah, he's definitely feeling these things very deeply and on a very personal level. Agreed!
But at the same time, the trust between them has been building slowly, and no matter how important their relationship is to both of them already, it feels to me like they haven't reached the point beyond which Zhao Yunlan would definitely have a right to feel betrayed.
I think Zhao Yunlan still has residual feelings of being exposed by [all of episode 8 *g*], and the idea that Shen Wei has seen behind his front, seen his weaknesses and seems to really get him on a fundamental level, and seems to really like him (and ZYL himself is head over heels at this point), and he made himself vulnerable by drinking Zhao Yunlan's drink -- but he's still keeping up this wall between them... I mean. And it's not even that Shen Wei should have told him earlier, but Zhao Yunlan is sitting here now, he knows now, and Shen Wei is still refusing to let him in?
(And I'm thinking, too, how Zhao Yunlan's closest relationship is with Da Qing, and they seem to tell each other everything. So Zhao Yunlan's default expectation for friendship is like that? Imagine if Da Qing had a whole separate identity he hadn't told Zhao Yunlan about?! Especially one that Zhao Yunlan interacted with!)
The other thing is that Zhao Yunlan isn't just asking his personal friend to confide in him; he is asking the Envoy, because there's no separating the two. Shen Wei can't confide in Zhao Yunlan personally without also confiding in him as the Envoy. Zhao Yunlan talks to him entirely as the Shen Wei he's come to know (maybe because he doesn't want things between them to be different?), and even though he's asking for the truth about him being the Envoy, he's at the same time not really acknowledging it in the way he talks to him, you know?
Yes, absolutely! And that's a massive problem from Shen Wei's side. But for Zhao Yunlan -- it's Shen Wei who's been lying to him, claiming over and over to be an ordinary person. The Envoy hasn't lied; he's just been the Envoy.
And if Zhao Yunlan did turn up in Professor Shen's office and treated him very formally, wouldn't that be just as bad for Shen Wei? Wouldn't that hurt like hell? Because Shen Wei has really put himself out there to build this friendship between them, and Zhao Yunlan's feelings for the Envoy are obviously much less warm and friendly and open. (Someone should absolutely write this!)
whereas Shen Wei is very much not planning to hide forever
Do you think he had a time frame in mind? If his hand hadn't been forced, then when might he have revealed the truth? Once Zhu Jiu was neutralised?
But at this point neither of them have any idea yet just how high the stakes will end up being, so it makes sense that Shen Wei isn't taking that into account.
Yes, very true. Zhu Jiu has murdered Ding Dun and stirred up a lot of trouble, but it doesn't feel like imminent war yet!
Tbh I'm not sure if Zhao Yunlan does know it, but he could have thought of it.
He was listening in when the chancellor and Shen Wei talked about Li Qian dropping out, so depending on what he made of that conversation... But yeah, he doesn't know that Shen Wei has been politely evicted from the teachers' dorms because of him.
Oooh, good thinking about when he figures it out! Though I'm not quite following, how does that relate to subverting Lin Jing's science project?
If he thinks the main threat is technological rather than Dixing-powers driven, then Lin Jing's defence is less important? Idk. What do they actually know that Zheng Yi has done at that point?
I'm never sure what he actually means - whether he's questioning why Shen Wei is living in Haixing, or why he's getting involved with the SID, or ...?
I assumed Haixing, but returning to the SID has to be part of it too, maybe. Interesting! I need to think about this some more. :-)
Shen Yi would totally prove Shen Wei and Hei Pao Shi are the same people by drawing his chin, or his eyes, or something. *g*
Hee!
I'm not sure that tallies - if that's what he's thinking, he's leaving the very dangerous Zheng Yi in SID custody while taking Tan Xiao away, after all ...
Oh, true! Huh.
the more Zhao Yunlan insists, the more less Shen Wei is going to give in. And that's a good point about how Zhao Yunlan is acting towards him. Like I said above, I wonder if it might have gone differently if Zhao Yunlan had approached him differently ...
They're both being So Very Them! Shen Wei has compartmentalised and is refusing to/can't stop, and is frustrated that Zhao Yunlan won't accept that and stick to the rules Shen Wei has put in place; and Zhao Yunlan is going, "Ohhhh, these are the rules! How can I use/subvert them to find out more and get closer?" Like, if Shen Wei is going to insist he's just Professor Shen, who has always treated ZYL as a friend and equal, and who ZYL has always gone to for info, then of course ZYL is going to go to him in this instance, too. (Shen Wei had his chance to change the rules / set a new mode between them over the last week since the Hanga arc, but he didn't take it.)
Oooh, do you think Shen Wei put himself in stasis for the scan? Is that why he initially doesn't respond when Zhao Yunlan speaks to him?
Yeah, that's what I was thinking.
And yeah, I don't think it was romantic in intent, but then Shen Wei opens his eyes and Zhao Yunlan is so flustered, it sort of makes it romantic in retrospect. *g*
Hee! That makes sense. *smishes them*
And then Zhao Yunlan badly fakes his headache again, and Shen Wei stalks off like he did from the old books thing. Because ZYL still hasn't got it!